F4R Camshaft lock tool MOT 1509 hire??

[Nicolasticity]

anyone close to Bristol willing to loan or hire the tool to lock the cam pulley wheels? Or is there a company that I can hire one from?

Tools companies only make a timing holding tool and it wont be strong enough to undo the bolts.

 

[Jay Payne]

I just sold mine to matteh, pm him

 

[Nicolasticity]

I just sold mine to matteh, pm him

will do thanks.

Out of interest how much to they cost to buy?

 

[Jay Payne]

iirc i paid about 60 quid at renault

 

[lemonnobby]

are you on about the front or the rear tool

 

[Gray]

IIRC Fred rents them out?

 

[Fred@BTM]

^indeed i do, £25 to hire mine

 

[Gray]

Also for that special price... Fred spends 2hrs cleaning and gift wrapping them

 

[Fred@BTM]

i do actually!

 

[Nicolasticity]

in the end brought the revised tool MOT1801 (now comes with the 1509 -01 cog) from Renault.

Many thanks for the advice ta.

 

[fil_b]

in the end brought the revised tool MOT1801 (now comes with the 1509 -01 cog) from Renault.

Many thanks for the advice ta.

how much?

 

[sideways danny]

in the end brought the revised tool MOT1801 (now comes with the 1509 -01 cog) from Renault.

Many thanks for the advice ta.

is that to stop the tool fouling the lip on the exhaust pulley? I spaced ours with washers

 

[Icarus]

is that to stop the tool fouling the lip on the exhaust pulley? I spaced ours with washers

AFAIK it is. Will let you know when mine arrive. Have ordered a pair to replace the ones I left in the garage at Silverstone after the 24hr!

Cheers
M

 

[chop_vxr]

some interesting info seeing asthough its christmas

http://www.smebo.co.uk/ims/pic.php?u=80mMlZT&i=3423

 

[Nicolasticity]

how much?

On the ticket as 7711381801 and £39.98 plus vat

 

[Fred@BTM]

you need the crank locking pin and the other cam locking tool aswell you do realise?

 

[Nicolasticity]

Yes I got a Laser kit for the cam setting and that comes with the pin. Only question I have is on the tension pulley I assume that you turn to align the marks, turn the engine on the exhaust cam 6times and then recheck that it is still aligned as is the timing.

Best illustration is in the attached of it shown aligned.

 

[Fred@BTM]

chuck the laser/sealy kit in the bin, most useless thing ever made IMO, it WILL bend as you do it

there are no timing marks, the way the sealy/laser kit suggests is a bit vague tbh

 

[Nicolasticity]

Fitting the tool to the car it fouls on the dephaser of the inlet CAM as in photos - I note Fred also has an 1801 tool. As it can only locate on the CAM casing stud and the head cowl over the CAMs I cant see how I can misalign it? So any help here would be great.

cheers

 

[Riley!]

had no problems with the lazer one myself

 

[sideways danny]

Fitting the tool to the car it fouls on the dephaser of the inlet CAM as in photos - I note Fred also has an 1801 tool. As it can only locate on the CAM casing stud and the head cowl over the CAMs I cant see how I can misalign it? So any help here would be great.

cheers

you're missing spacers, about 10mm thick that hold the tool away from the pulleys

 

[Fred@BTM]

you have to replace the inlet locking toothed wheel that comes with it for the one shown in my picture (the one at the bottom)

 

[Fred@BTM]

i'll go take pics of mine

 

[Fred@BTM]

2 spacers and locating nut

left hand "tall" cog'd wheel is inlet, right hand "short" cog'd wheel is exhaust, my tool came with 2 x "short" cogs, so the 1509-1 (left hand cog in picture) cog was extra

hope that helps

 

[Nicolasticity]

Cheers Fred Renault did not supply those bits. The nut explains my second question which is I dont have enough thread on the lower location.

Im speaking to Renault Customer Service (based in Ireland and really nice people) so hopefully will resolve.

Many thanks for all the guidance

 

[Fred@BTM]

you do need to order a fair few bits mate, not just one item, the spacers and nut are extra also from memory

 

[Nicolasticity]

thanks Fred - REnault (S J Cook) sold me a 0000150901 tool which consists of one new cog, two spacer washers and a nut (as in your pics) for £18.49.

With the nut and two washers for the longer cog already in the 1801 tool I think I know have all the bits I need - Ill set the tool this weekend.

 

[renaultman]

why do you need the locking tool for the pulleys can you not time it up with out removing the pulleys . just use the rear locking tool and the crank tool? like is say in procedure 2 http://www.fastchip.nl/media/doc/clio2/F4R_730.pdf

 

[Nicolasticity]

Sadly my auxiliary belt at 25K shredded a small peice from the edge which got under the cam cover which lifted the belt over the crank pulley putting the engine out by 18 degrees and therby taking out the valves.

So its cheaper than a garage by a country mile to do it myself.

When Renault did the Cambelt at 46k they loosened and reset the wheels, however if the cambelts are consistent and the tooth gap is exact, plus the position of the idler wheels and tensioner are identical then technically you would not need to realign. However the closer you set it to the ideal (ie set it up turn it over on the exhaust cam and then reset it) the more power you will get. Hence Freds comments above about using the best tools gets the best job.

 

[renaultman]

if you turn the exhaust pulley and the vvt pulley how do you make sure the outer crown wheel on the dephaser dose not move can u lock it

 

[Hutchie]

erm whats wrong with the tool that goes in the other end of camshaft, one one that makes cams level???

 

[Fred@BTM]

^how do you change a dephaser without the pulley tool?

 

[Hutchie]

^how do you change a dephaser without the pulley tool?

just do without :rasp:

 

[Fred@BTM]

and not win the rally because your timing is out :rasp:

 

[Hutchie]

cars managed fine without vvt for ages

set timing for 5-7500 rpm as thats where you are 99.9% of the time while rallying

 

[Fred@BTM]

ah right nice, you'll have to send me details on ye old LPG stuff, i want!

 

[renaultman]

if you remove the dephaser and turn it over with the exhaust pulley when the engine is locked with the tools how do you make sure the dephaser crown wheel dose not move?