few problems just had my car itb'd

[midge]

good service tbh.. 2100 for jenvey's supplied, fitted and mapped?
ok so theres been a hicup but anyone going to be moaning once its done?

 

[Russ_16v]

I was going to say if this prices stays as it is and it get fixed (as Matt says he will) then this will be a very well priced conversion!

 

[Cro]

Seems absolutely spot on service to be fair.

For a tuner who doesn't normally ITB clios i'd say if you saw an increase of 30+bhp you wouldn't say anything was wrong with that.

 

[gogsie]

i wanst slating them :S , i was asking questions as what was the problem was , i spoke to them the next day after getting the car back , how have i slated them in anyway in this thread ?????

Sorry should've said some people were slating him not you.

Anyway sounds like you'll be sorted come Tuesday.

Note ahoy!!

 

[Greeny.]

£2100 fitted? hmmm

 

[mattatmtech]

Thats including our V4 stabdalone management. I can at request leave your OEM ECU in there to keep the dash happy as well. Its not the usual way of doing engine management for us (most cars we work on have no loom at all let alone a factory dash!) but in Nicks case he was after a stack style setup anyway as it is a track car

Lets wait for Nicks to be running as it should then we can really make sense of the results etc.

Will keep everyone posted, and hopefully Danny will be popping over in the week so he can give an unbiased view of the work we do and the service etc.

Cheers guys,
Matt

 

[PaulyA610]

When finished bud I would get a proper price sorted as I know nick beat you down to a low price which he said you arnt making much money out of this job. I think you will have a long que of people wanting this done once you have sorted nicks car at £2100!!

 

[Nick r26r]

I can at request leave your OEM ECU in there to keep the dash happy as well.

so i could keep my old ecu in , would of rather done that in the first place , as it would of saved me a lot of cash , what would need doing to get your ecu wired up to my old one then ???

 

[mattatmtech]

Nick, the good news is we did leave the majority of the old harness there. The bad news is we utilised all the grounds for our grounds and any sensors we utlised (IAT, CLT, CRNK) etc were cut. We could back pedal it, but that would take quite a while I would of thought.

When we first booked yours in, I had just finished Dave Knights circuit Clio 9I think you saw it there when you dropped yours off) and that had a whole new loom, hence why I said the dash would stop working, and we then said you wanted to go for a stack setup.

Paul, yes I will have to work out a correct price. Now I know the time scales it will make this easier.

The standard Jenvey twin body conversion is £1880+VAT (on for example a Fiesta RS1800, or C20LET AStra) The extra expenses are: Throttle pedal conversion, and the individual TB setup that Jenvey Supply. Other than its pretty much the same. I would say £2,200+VAT would be a fair guess at a standard price for conversion.

Cheers,
Matt

 

[mattatmtech]

It may prove more worth my time to uncode the Clio CAN commands and drive the dash directly with the V4 ecu.... The only downside to this is that whoever wants to be a guniea pig may be without their car for a while!

 

[Fred@BTM]

you do know you can buy a normal pedal from renault for about £30?

 

[mattatmtech]

We went down the same route as for Dave knights car, in motorsport you usally need 2x throttle cables (to support twin linkage) didnt realise they were that cheap, defo the way to go about ITB conversions, thanks for the info. Do you have a part.no?

Oh, just ordered this:
http://www.microchipdirect.com/ProductSearch.aspx?Keywords=APGDT002

Will let me decode the clio CANbus so we can let the V4 drive it directly

 

[sideways danny]

Just been to M-tech

Timing was out!!!!

So I reset it (after removing and cleaning the pullies)

And locked the pulleys in the correct manner

 

[Cro]

Good job danny, so its been out the entire time from whoever fitted the cams before!

 

[Nick r26r]

Good job danny, so its been out the entire time from whoever fitted the cams before!

yes , the cams were in the car when i bought it , so who ever fitted them obviously didnt have a clue

 

[Adey.]

would explain why it felt so underpowered when i took it round oulten, good show danny, now i guess they can get it all mapped up and making some good figures, nice one

 

[Tony Hunter]

Well done Mr Sideways

 

[The Boosh!]

Such a legend for doing that Danny :approve:

 

[Nick r26r]

yeah top man danny , they should of knew the cam timing was out before mapping the car but it couldnt be helped , would of saved me a lot of time and money

 

[Russ_16v]

So do you know when it will be done mate?

Top marks to Danny

 

[Nick r26r]

saturday hopefully or tommorow , im sure they will be on here once its all mapped up again to post up dyno graph , for it to get 182 with cam timing out and vvt disconected i thought that was quite good , should hopefully see good results

 

[sideways danny]

yeah top man danny , they should of knew the cam timing was out before mapping the car but it couldnt be helped , would of saved me a lot of time and money

Dont think they could have known really. They didn't fit them and have no past experience of that spec cam etc. Not something that you check before mapping either, just have to rely on it being done right

 

[Jay Payne]

So does it deffo have different cams in it?


Nick you will be pleased when it comes back im sure, incorect cam timing is so common on these engines and makes a MASSIVE difference. I gained over 30bhp when I corrected my belt timing

 

[Nick r26r]

Dont think they could have known really. They didn't fit them and have no past experience of that spec cam etc. Not something that you check before mapping either, just have to rely on it being done right

doesnt it show you timing when mapping the car and all temps ???

 

[sideways danny]

yeah it's has billet cams, Looked like cats, but can't "really" see. I'd expect they're 428s as it was a FBW car before

 

[Nick r26r]

So does it deffo have different cams in it?


Nick you will be pleased when it comes back im sure, incorect cam timing is so common on these engines and makes a MASSIVE difference. I gained over 30bhp when I corrected my belt timing

yeah deffo has different cams in it , 428's , lined my mates 172 cup and mine up together and my mates were 2 piece where as mine were bilet , i also have receipt for 428 cat cams in with my service , wasnt 100% sure before as i found a receipt for a new head and wasnt sure if the guy took them out but after looking at my mates car i knew they were different

 

[Russ_16v]

So does it deffo have different cams in it?


Nick you will be pleased when it comes back im sure, incorect cam timing is so common on these engines and makes a MASSIVE difference. I gained over 30bhp when I corrected my belt timing

I remember when you did your belts mate, one word0 - tipex!

 

[sideways danny]

doesnt it show you timing when mapping the car and all temps ???

ignition timing and cam timing are different things

 

[Jay Payne]

yeah deffo has different cams in it , 428's , lined my mates 172 cup and mine up together and my mates were 2 piece where as mine were bilet , i also have receipt for 428 cat cams in with my service , wasnt 100% sure before as i found a receipt for a new head and wasnt sure if the guy took them out but after looking at my mates car i knew they were different

Should se a very healthy 200+ then easy

I remember when you did your belts mate, one word0 - tipex!

yea, on a freewheeling pulley, Lol

 

[Nick r26r]

ignition timing and cam timing are different things

ah ok , will have to buy you a drink if i ever see ya ,

 

[2 live]

it's megasquirt :dead:

Definitely badly mapped. Probably guessed the low end map and just done the power mapping, which is totally arse about face

hmmmm....i know another 'reputable' company that does this too...cowboys.

 

[sideways danny]

Should se a very healthy 200+ then easy

yea, on a freewheeling pulley, Lol

it's a dyno-dynamics. they read a little lower than Superflow (Superflow is a FAR better dyno), I doubt it'll break 200, but it should be close

 

[Nick r26r]

hmmmm....i know another 'reputable' company that does this too...cowboys.

they have claimed its not megasquirt management , there old v3 ecu was megasquirt but not this one ,

 

[Russ_16v]

it's a dyno-dynamics. they read a little lower than Superflow (Superflow is a FAR better dyno), I doubt it'll break 200, but it should be close

Do DD underread then? If il be well chuffed, mines made 173 @ the fly with just the cat back and last tim was on 128k odd

 

[sideways danny]

Do DD underread then? If il be well chuffed, mines made 173 @ the fly with just the cat back and last tim was on 128k odd

I dont know how anyone could tell what are right and wrong really. It's only a number at the end of the day. Gains are the best measure.

 

[Russ_16v]

true mate, will be interested to see how much i gain after iv finished mine

 

[2 live]

they have claimed its not megasquirt management , there old v3 ecu was megasquirt but not this one ,

theirs was on omex mate.


and meant guessing the low end map and only doing a 'power' map


at a proper mappers, the at the fly figure figure was about 2 bhp higher than the wheels figure when done properly.

 

[franx]

it'll be a screamer now i hope for you :approve:

 

[Fred@BTM]

at a proper mappers, the at the fly figure figure was about 2 bhp higher than the wheels figure when done properly.

eh? come again? :S

 

[PaulyA610]

Why cant they put the original ecu back in as it is a bit of a pain not having the rev's/temp gage's not working.