Freaky engine?

[Laine_16v]

Bought my cup a while back and put it on the rollers yesterday at Surrey RR with a few others, was pretty shocked at the result considering it only has a panel filter and Ktec exhaust. Standard map and cat convertor too, and its an aircon model! THis is nothing more than a happy thread

 

[Gouldy]

someone turned the correction factor up.

 

[Wick]

This got a mention in "Jay S's" thread... Very unusual. I'd be very happy! I have heard nothing but good things about Charlie down at SRR so as reliable a place as any!

 

[Chris_786]

Freak if it's standard! Not runnig cams from previous owner?

 

[Fletcher]

Like I said on Sat, very impressive figures fella.

 

[Gray]

There are a few freaky engines around.. But that seems very strong, especially with aircon and no real mods!

What was the peak torque figure?

 

[Laine_16v]

Looking at the graphs it reads off about 157ftlb's @ 5550rpm

 

[Dan519]

Proper freak of an engine. SRR is an ego buster too

 

[Silent_Scone]

G0t cams?! Prolly is just a freak, think Gray's lump made close to 190 :/ strange engines

 

[Dan519]

no cams, checked that instantly

 

[yeecup]

want to get mine on the rr, i dont think mine is running anywhere near 170bhp, would like to get the timing checked.

 

[chriscummins7]

Wow, you're one of the lucky ones

 

[Scrooge]

Great result, what was everyone else getting?

 

[Zmaster2k]

bout time you had some luck lainer!

 

[jon_r]

Those silver cups always were good ones. I remember mine making over book power after 2000 miles.

Good result.

 

[Djw John]

want to get mine on the rr, i dont think mine is running anywhere near 170bhp, would like to get the timing checked.

Have you had the timing done since you bought it? If not then its defo running 170+, was always bang on neck and neck with the other flamer and that was running 176 at the time.

 

[TooneySonic]

Congrats on a strong 'un!

 

[Andyman]

Mass production engine with a extra 20 bhp or so over the average stock 172 surely has to have more going on than being a ''freak'' :S

 

[fletch8]

Mass production engine with a extra 20 bhp or so over the average stock 172 surely has to have more going on than being a ''freak'' :S

this id of thought

 

[TooneySonic]

No evidence of a raised limiter though?

 

[at3k-]

Bet your jaw dropped when you saw that!

 

[Andyman]

No evidence of a raised limiter though?

Peaks higher than mine and i'm running cams lol

Must be either modded or the rollers out at the time - Lets be realistic, unless Renault slipped in some hefty port work, raised the CR or slipped in some secret cams its going to be a tad optimistic to have gained 20 brake from stock factory tolerance parts at the assembly line.

 

[Fred@BTM]

Freaky ones do exist, although i have a funny feeling my "freak engine" might be one of my old ex cup racer stock which were not 100% stock (close though)

 

[Gray]

This my was freaky PH-1 172:

187.4 bhp

166 ft.lb

100% standard engine internals.

The only mods where matched inlets and a Yozzasport race exhaust system.


And that was on Pauls old rollers that apparantly under read

 

[.GAZ.]

Bet its running a 182 manifold.

 

[Gray]

Bet its running a 182 manifold.

172 manifold on mine and Laines!

 

[Russ_16v]

Vtec

 

[Fred@BTM]

172 manifold on mine and Laines!

and mine!

no decat
catback exhaust
Fred special air filter
remap

hello 190bhp

 

[domsclio182]

Be interesting to see what happens with a few mods,any plans?

 

[Dan519]

and mine!

no decat
catback exhaust
Fred special air filter
remap

hello 190bhp

180 if you put it on an independent dyno

 

[mitch1503]

Those silver cups always were good ones. I remember mine making over book power after 2000 miles.

Good result.

still to get it on the rollers Jon an see what its making now.. was gonna go on the RR day that laine went on but thought was pointless with a blowing exhaust

 

[Fred@BTM]

180 if you put it on an independent dyno

So Trackgroup inflate their figures? Bold statement Danny

 

[Dan519]

you can twst my words however you like. the question is will you put it on the rollers at SRR?

 

[Fred@BTM]

I'll put the car on any rollers, doesn't bother me!

The car has already been on SRR too, made 86bhp when it was a 1.2

Doesn't SRR have the same dyno k-tec just got rid of?

 

[Dan519]

4 wheel drive Dynodynamics

 

[mikekean]

Freaky ones do exist, although i have a funny feeling my "freak engine" might be one of my old ex cup racer stock which were not 100% stock (close though)

What exactly where the differences, i allways thought it was just a stock 730 motor.

 

[Fred@BTM]

Well the FR2000 lumps (dry sumped) were the most powerful from my experience, the oil system was cocked about with in them, oil squirters blocked off etc

in terms of what was done to them i shall ask my chap when i speak to him to get the exact answer, i know his wife did the cam timing on them LOL!

Only small differences i ever noticed were the actually balancing/weights of internal items, cranks, rods, pistons etc were VERY close when compared to a road car. If i find my old note pad i have a comparison of a road car engine and a cup racer engine, we fitted an ex cup race engine into a road car years ago and whilst i was bored i took apart 1 of each engine and weighed/measured everything

 

[tsoob]

no such thing as a freak engine, just a lack of knowlege of what is going on!

 

[Fred@BTM]

i'm not so sure, this is Renault's we're on about here

 

[Martin_172]

i need to get my ph1 on the rollers to see the graph as it feels to me like its still making power at 7800rpm and my old one used to be running out of puff at 7200! (182 manifold though!) its had double figures in owners so god knows whats been done!