FRS 500

[ForceIndia]

Anyway, hope to see a 500 on the road, doubt there will many meaner looking cars about!

 

[Munson]

Agree with this, the V6 is more special. Only time will tell i guess.

Yeah of course it's more special. It's an almost entirely bespoke platform. I don't think anyone would argue otherwise. The RS500 is a FWD hatch though. Pretty pointless comparison in my eyes. First of all, the point of a hatchback is that it has a large boot and 4 seats. The FRS is that car and then some. Try fitting a fridge in the back of a V6

Yes, time will tell which holds more value, but why does everything on CS have to be an argument over which car does this or that best, which one will be worth more and which one laps some track the quickest? Laughable at times

The fact remains that the RS500 will be an epic hatchback, and they'll sell every last unit even if it costs £40k, so whether or not anyone here agrees, it is easily worth £35k. In fact by the time you spec up the GPS and red leather chairs it'll probably be closer to £38k (presuming the rumoured £35k list proves to be correct). The old "it's worth what someone will pay for it" applies both new and old cars, not just to old Clios with yellow paint.

 

[ForceIndia]

Yes, time will tell which holds more value, but why does everything on CS have to be an argument over which car does this or that best, which one will be worth more and which one laps some track the quickest? Laughable at times

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Nature of every forum I'm on tbh. Otherwise the detailers would be the only one's posting. About cleaning wheels with a toothbrush.:dead:

With pics:dead::dead:

 

[Munson]

Its designed to have more traction you weapon.

Wow now I feel so dumb. You don't think 324lb through the front wheels is impressive? If I designed a Clio to fly to the moon I suppose you offer the same response. PMSL.

You should consider a career change to automotive engineering. They could use you expertise.

 

[ForceIndia]

Wow now I feel so dumb. You don't think 324lb through the front wheels is impressive? If I designed a Clio to fly to the moon I suppose you offer the same response. PMSL.

You should consider a career change to automotive engineering. They could use you expertise.

Your.







Sorry xx

 

[Munson]

Hahaa no no. It's only right.

 

[Waitey]

Wow now I feel so dumb. You don't think 324lb through the front wheels is impressive? If I designed a Clio to fly to the moon I suppose you offer the same response. PMSL.

You should consider a career change to automotive engineering. They could use you expertise.

The Clio is designed to have a set amount of traction.

The Focus is designed to have a set amount of traction.

In the same way a MK3 MX-5 is degined to have no more traction than a MK1 MX-5.

Its like comparing a goat to a brick.

 

[ForceIndia]

Its like comparing a goat to a brick.

The men who stare at bricks would have been s**t tbh.

 

[Munson]

The Clio is designed to have a set amount of traction.

The Focus is designed to have a set amount of traction.

In the same way a MK3 MX-5 is degined to have no more traction than a MK1 MX-5.

Its like comparing a goat to a brick.

So if I designed a FWD hatch with a 1000lb/ft it wouldn't be impressive. It's obviously just because I designed it that way? Kind of the whole point about it being an awesome drivetrain much? Roffle.

 

[Waitey]

The men who stare at bricks would have been s**t tbh.

Are you saying men you stare at goats was good. Clooney is a dream but he's scraping the barrel!

 

[fUbAr]

I love it!

There's a ford dealer right next to my work, and they have a green RS on a platform one side of the forecourt and a white one up on a platform the other side. I can't help but stare at them as I go past.

both up for £16k too, not bad?

 

[Waitey]

I love it!

There's a ford dealer right next to my work, and they have a green RS on a platform one side of the forecourt and a white one up on a platform the other side. I can't help but stare at them as I go past.

both up for £16k too, not bad?

You sure its not £26k?

 

[Craigus]

I love it!

There's a ford dealer right next to my work, and they have a green RS on a platform one side of the forecourt and a white one up on a platform the other side. I can't help but stare at them as I go past.

both up for £16k too, not bad?

Where is this garage, I'm off to get a loan.

 

[Munson]

PMSL at £16k Not a hope unless they're both ultra-high mileage rotters.

 

[ForceIndia]

£16k? I'd be up there today.

 

[c__w]

Wow now I feel so dumb. You don't think 324lb through the front wheels is impressive?

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I didn't think it's available in all gears though is it? That goes hint at the compromised nature of FWD, although 320lb/ft is still impressive in any gear!!

But the comparions to a Clio are pointless, two different cars really, the only common aspects is that their FWD and hatchbacks, but one is much heavier and in a different size segment so will cope more easily with that amount of power (with LSD and bigger wheels, plus "better" suspension arangement that allows more torque to be put through whilst remaing stable etc). A 182 with 300/300 would be insanely quick IF it got traction.

 

[Munson]

I didn't think it's available in all gears though is it? That goes hint at the compromised nature of FWD, although 320lb/ft is still impressive in any gear!!

But the comparions to a Clio are pointless, two different cars really, the only common aspects is that their FWD and hatchbacks, but one is much heavier and in a different size segment so will cope more easily with that amount of power (with LSD and bigger wheels, plus "better" suspension arangement that allows more torque to be put through whilst remaing stable etc). A 182 with 300/300 would be insanely quick IF it got traction.

Yeah TBF the torque is limited in first and second but it doesn't feel like it. It's torque limited mainly to protect the drivetrain AFAIK although obviously it's going to help with traction too

The comparison was not pointless. I suggested the drivetrain was impressive. Someone else said it wasn't. I'm saying that it has far more power and double the torque of the Clio yet has far more traction. From an engineering standpoint that is impressive to anyone with even an ounce of engineering knowledge.

Yes it's newer. Things have moved on. The point still stands that it's an impressive achievement. Some people thought it would never handle the power, others think it's not in the least bit astounding that it does. Same old same old when it comes to car debates

Why is this centred around why it has awesome traction? The fact is that it does, and that's impressive engineering unless someone is just trying to have an argument for the sake of it

 

[c__w]

I don't think it's centred around that, just that it isn't all scientific magic that gives it good traction; if you made the Focus weigh around 1050kg, put 205/45/16 wheels and tyres on it, an open diff, then report back with your results

 

[Munson]

Good traction is good. Therefore good traction is good. Good? Making excuses as to why it's good is like arguing that nice apples only taste nice because they taste like nice apples. It's not a willy waving traction contest, it's just a fact. I didn't suggest there are magic pixies involved, just good engineering. The Clio comparison was obvious because that was my previous car.

You said yourself that FWD is compromised (which it is) therefore it's impressive that it manages it. Yeah but it only has good tra...

 

[Waitey]

You design the amount of traction into a car though.

A Clio only has a set amount to make it fun/usable for the average joe. It could have been designed with far more but it didn't need it.

Like i said a MK3 MX5 is considered to have good traction but thats becuase it doesn't have that much as it could have, which is what keeps it fun and entertaining.

None quattro Audi diesels have huge torque and they get it down fine but the are far from fun and entertaining. S3's are boring becacuse they have epic traction.

You have to get the ballence right. A Clio has all the traction it needs for what is does.

The FRS has all the traction it needs for what it does.

 

[Munson]

Ok.

 

[ben_p]

So is this like a fiat 500? Or do they have more traction?

 

[.Ben.]

I'm struggling to see the point of the argument. :dapprove:

The FRS is an impressively capable and powerful FWD car. Regardless of what other car, from whatever era you decide to compare it with.

End.

EDIT: Surely, anything else is just arguing subjective points and personal preference?

 

[ben_p]

I'm struggling to see the point of the argument. :dapprove:

The FRS is an impressively capable and powerful FWD car. Regardless of what other car, from whatever era you decide to choose.

End.

Surely anything else is just arguing subjective points and semtex?

Isn't that what brown bear plays with?

 

[Craigus]

172 cup would PWN it.

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[Leeshez]

Sweet.

 

[Peperami]

I love it. Wouldnt pay 35k for one, but its all subjective. It is a limited edition.

Surely other than it being an official limited edition, a standard car with 6 pots, engine work, black wheels, and a matt black wrap would achieve the same thing?

 

[Darren S]

Royston - how are the front shoes holding up in the mileage you've done so far? What do those come fitted with as standard, btw?

D.

 

[Craigus]

I love it. Wouldnt pay 35k for one, but its all subjective. It is a limited edition.

Surely other than it being an official limited edition, a standard car with 6 pots, engine work, black wheels, and a matt black wrap would achieve the same thing?

Yeah it would, but you could say that about the R26.R and an R26, stripped out, buckets, harness, cage, sticky tires, plastic windows etc. Or any car for that matter.

 

[fUbAr]

You sure its not £26k?

LOL, typo.

Yes, I meant £26k

 

[bluediamond]

not massively keen on the looks myself and the price tag is an insult imo. Yes i know it will easily sell out even @ 35g's thou. Would much prefer a standard looking white one with those red seats and some proper suspension to tie it down properly.

Iv been a massive ford fan for years but for some reason the new RS just doesnt excite me like the mk 1 did/does i found the handling quite loose and kinda floaty. It also feels big and high on the road.

Mayb its just because im now used the go-kart handling of the R thou? All said and done, the new RS is certainly not on my "must own" list.

 

[MarkCup]

I'm stunned by the fact that anyone would pay £35k (or even £28k) for a mid-sized 3-door family hatchback, regardless of what it is.

 

[fUbAr]

Still not the most expensive hatch on the market though...

 

[Munson]

Royston - how are the front shoes holding up in the mileage you've done so far? What do those come fitted with as standard, btw?

D.

Continental Sport Contact 3 235/35/19. They're holing up ok so far.

I'm stunned by the fact that anyone would pay £35k (or even £28k) for a mid-sized 3-door family hatchback, regardless of what it is.

Maybe some people need a 3-door hatch? Crazy concept. Some of us use our cars for daily tasks such as lugging things around and taking rubbish to the tip. Some of us also need to cary cases and bags from time to time. I don't see why it's so hard to understand but, as they say, each to their own.

 

[ForceIndia]

Continental Sport Contact 3 235/35/19. They're holing up ok so far.



Maybe some people need a 3-door hatch? Crazy concept. Some of us use our cars for daily tasks such as lugging things around and taking rubbish to the tip. Some of us also need to cary cases and bags from time to time. I don't see why it's so hard to understand but, as they say, each to their own.

Playing devils advocate, most would assume that if a 182 is big enough, a 370z, used M3 etc woud also be.

 

[Tom]

I'm stunned by the fact that anyone would pay £35k (or even £28k) for a mid-sized 3-door family hatchback, regardless of what it is.

£33,000.

I'd have the focus.

 

[Munson]

Playing devils advocate, most would assume that if a 182 is big enough, a 370z, used M3 etc woud also be.

Cool. They can buy one of those then? LOL.

You buy what you want and everyone else can buy what they want?

PS. None of the cars you mention are big enough for my needs. I apologise if my needs differ from yours but there we are x

 

[ForceIndia]

Cool. They can buy one of those then? LOL.

You buy what you want and everyone else can buy what they want?

PS. None of the cars you mention are big enough for my needs. I apologise if my needs differ from yours but there we are x

Exactly, no-one knows your needs, it's all assumption.

£33k on a Mini? People are stupid.

 

[Munson]

Exactly, no-one knows your needs, it's all assumption.

Which was why I decided to comment on Mark's post. Mark can buy what he wants, you can buy what you want, and I'll buy what I want. I'd never buy this I'd buy that. You could charge this and coilover that to do this or that for this or that and it would look much better than that or this and smoke this or that here or there around this or that. Great. Knock yourself out. Woopise doo

People will buy the RS500 therefore it's worth £35k.

 

[ForceIndia]

Which was why I decided to comment on Mark's post. Mark can buy what he wants, you can buy what you want, and I'll buy what I want. I'd never buy this I'd buy that. You could charge this and coilover that to do this or that for this or that and it would look much better than that or this and smoke this or that here or there around this or that. Great. Knock yourself out. Woopise doo

People will buy the RS500 therefore it's worth £35k.

Pretty sure it's woopsie doo.













Sorry xx