HELP, IS THIS A PROBLEM ON MY TURBO???

[simondavies89]

hi got this garrett gt28 turbo abit ago and finally have all the parts but i noticed on my turbo before there seems to be a small hole! is this normal? ther doesnt seem to be any dent and the metal seems fairly fin, hopefully you can see from the photo. any help will be greatly appreciated as im ment to be booking it in for full installation in april.

 

[simondavies89]

FALSE ALARM! its just the bloody taping hole for the bolt! i s**t myself, thought oil was gona be pissin out. on the other hand tho i the turbine has a small bit of play in it, ive heard some people say thats normal? doesnt seem too bad but i dont no much about them.

 

[simondavies89]

also any 1 ever used ktecs 182 link pipe and ED's v-bad down pipe? they dont seem to join well, i was told by Engine Dynamics there compatible but the pipes dont join in together, can it be fabricated easily? im getting it all fitted by chris at efi so im sure he could sort them out, they seem to be in the right place, just need the bit on the downpipe ground off or somethng so they can join. hope this picture descibes it beter for you.

 

[Dan@SJM]

If its a roller bearing turbo there shouldn't be any play.

 

[simondavies89]

il have to just instal it and get it refurbed at a later date, i was told it still had plenty of life in it. should be fine for a wile. il have to refurb it when ive got some funds again. this whole turbo thing aint a cheap route to go down!

 

[George182]

Its probably best to refurb it before you install it, surely?

 

[simondavies89]

no anywere good but no to expensive?

 

[Dan@SJM]

If its roller bearing its a new CHRA. You can't refurb them

 

[simondavies89]

how do i know if its a roller bearing? y cant you refurb them. if its a roller bearing and it cant be refurbed then its gettin fitted regardless. thers not that much play in it and it was running fine on the previous car so it should be fine for a good wile.

 

[Dan@SJM]

Are you able to spin it and it carry on for a while? What turbo is it?

 

[simondavies89]

yeh i can spin it fine and it spins for a wile but not forever, im sending it to cr turbos tomoro and they said if its not seals or thrust bearing its a new cartridge that will cost around £800 with postage, so im hopeing to god its not that coz thats my budget blown but im at the point of no return now so if it needs fixed its gona have to get done. im just hoping its not a new cartridge coz it will be fairly cheap if not

 

[JackJack]

N/A FTW!

 

[simondavies89]

it is a roller bearing turbo btw, sounds like im gona be payin s**t loads. how long is the life on 1 of these coz im fairly pissed if it needs fixed but it must have had a fair bit of use if its worn now? would i be better of buyin a new different garrett or fix this 1??? cost wise?

 

[Chip-mk1]

it is a roller bearing turbo btw, sounds like im gona be payin s**t loads. how long is the life on 1 of these coz im fairly pissed if it needs fixed but it must have had a fair bit of use if its worn now? would i be better of buyin a new different garrett or fix this 1??? cost wise?

If they get too hot (mapping or spec issue) the bearing housing can melt very quickly, but in normal use they should last 10s of thousands of miles.

 

[simondavies89]

i was quoted £830 odd with cr for a new cartrige, does that not sound alot? new turbos arnt much more are they? sugesting it does need a new cartrige wat would u do? just let them fix?

 

[Chip-mk1]

i was quoted £830 odd with cr for a new cartrige, does that not sound alot? new turbos arnt much more are they? sugesting it does need a new cartrige wat would u do? just let them fix?

The price of a new cartridge or a new turbo isnt greatly different TBH.

 

[simondavies89]

its a turbo for my 182 turbo conversion so is ther a turbo that would be better suited and cheaper to buy new instead of me fixing my gt28rs? im goin for around 230-250 bhp. if not il just fix my gt28rs. whats the crack with the actuators aswell? my turbo has a forge t2 on it, do they need checked? cheers for all your help, trying to get it all sorted, its getting fitted mid april at efi so i need it sorted.

 

[Chip-mk1]

TBH for that power you may as well just get a secondhand T25 off a 200sx or a saab etc, I woudlnt bother with roller bearing turbos for anything under 300bhp from a 2.0, total waste of time.

 

[simondavies89]

ino it mayb abit overkill having that turbo but the kit came cheap nd it came with that turbo so im just after cost effectiveness and reliability. if its not much difference in sourcing a new turbo than fixing mine then i will just fix mine, i would have thought the garrett roller bearings would have been a more reliable item aswell? surely theres no negative effect in using the turbo i have? thers always the possibilty of more power at a later date aswell when more money springs up?, think il probably just have to swallow it nd fix it

 

[Chip-mk1]

Non roller bearing are cheaper and more reliable and FAR cheaper to fix.

 

[Dan@SJM]

Buy cheap buy twice. I bought a cheap gt2871r and it s**t itself after 3k.

 

[simondavies89]

k looks like il get a new turbo then, thers some reconditioned ones on ebay for around 350? the garrett t5. are these good for upto 250bhp? and will my turbo manifold and downpipe from my current turno link the t5? its an Engine dynamics manifold and downpipe?

 

[Chip-mk1]

k looks like il get a new turbo then, thers some reconditioned ones on ebay for around 350? the garrett t5. are these good for upto 250bhp? and will my turbo manifold and downpipe from my current turno link the t5? its an Engine dynamics manifold and downpipe?

t5?

Are you sure you dont mean a t25?


As CR have your turbo, I would ask them to recomend one that will be as close to a direct fit as possible as they will know the layout of yours, there are many different configurations for input and output etc.

 

[Dan@SJM]

I wouldn't spend less than £700 on a new turbo!

 

[simondavies89]

yeh the t25 sorry. they dont have it yet i was gona send it off tomorow. turbo dynamics said they have a t25 for £375 brand new so im happy with that. so ther may b some trouble in the fitment with my parts?

 

[Chip-mk1]

Yes it could be totally different flanges etc.

You need to be emailing pics of yours to the turbo companies when they quote and ask how similar they can make it.

 

[Chip-mk1]

I wouldn't spend less than £700 on a new turbo!

I would if its a non roller bearing, so long as its a genuine garret one or from a reputable company with a decent warranty (which TBH in my experience leaves only CR, all the others seem to find too many reasons not to pay out!).

 

[Dan@SJM]

I would if its a non roller bearing, so long as its a genuine garret one or from a reputable company with a decent warranty (which TBH in my experience leaves only CR, all the others seem to find too many reasons not to pay out!).

Sorry yeh, I was referring to it being a replacement rollerbearing effort. Turbo dynamics have a good
Reputation for getting out of warranty claims.

 

[Laine_16v]

Just use the turbo, im sure it will work perfectly.

 

[Chip-mk1]

Just use the turbo, im sure it will work perfectly.

Only downside to that is if its mapped on that one and then he changes spec turbo to replace it if it does die it will need mapping again.

 

[simondavies89]

i want it to be reliable and dont realy want to chance putting a bad turbo on so i think a new t25 is a safer route, ive been on the phone to CR again and im waiting for a call back for a quote on a t25. im gona send them my gt28rs and get them to check it, if its ok or only needs seals and thrust bearing i will use that, if it needs a full rebuild then i will buy a new t25 and i will send them my current manifold and downpipe with my gt28rs so they can make sure everything matches the t25. anything else i need to think of if i do fit a new t25 with my current set up?

 

[Chip-mk1]

Get them to spec it for 300bhp in the first place, still wont be laggy on a 2.0 engine and will mean the turbo has an easier life and also means if you want more power later on then you can.

Vince is a good person to speak to at CR, Ive known him many years now and he always helps me out.

 

[simondavies89]

turbo is packaged and ready to go, need to see what kind of quote they give me tomoro on the T25 but hopefully it should be okay. atleast this way i no i will have a decent turbo goin in rather than taking a risk. thanks alot for all your help, maybe posting on here tomoro, depending on what happens when i give them a call. cheers

 

[simondavies89]

cr turbos have built me a t25 ball bearing turbo, never used cr before, its got a 12 month warrenty and im not to clued up on turbos but they said that was the better option instaed of fixing my gt28rs or getting a t25. atleast ino its decent turbo with warrenty. wat do you think? just gotta wait till 13 of april now to give it to efi, what a bloody adventure this has been ha

 

[George182]

Do you mind me asking how much that cost?

I am looking for a turbo for my 182 ATM.

 

[simondavies89]

well it was gona cost over £800 to fix my gt28rs but they used part of that to make me a t25 ball bearing for the same price as a t25. a new t25 was gona cost just over £600. are you sourcing the parts for ur conversion urself or have you bought a kit?

 

[George182]

Currently I have a forged block ready to drop in, but that's it.

I am weighing up my options but for convenience I am leaning towards the engine dynamics package.

 

[Chip-mk1]

cr turbos have built me a t25 ball bearing turbo, never used cr before, its got a 12 month warrenty and im not to clued up on turbos but they said that was the better option instaed of fixing my gt28rs or getting a t25. atleast ino its decent turbo with warrenty. wat do you think? just gotta wait till 13 of april now to give it to efi, what a bloody adventure this has been ha

Make sure you install a pre-turbo oil filter as a warranty wont be much use without one, as oil contamination with swarf that robs the turbo of oil by blocking the feed hole is the one thing that even CR will be funny about paying out if you kill a turbo because of as thats not the turbos fault at all.

 

[simondavies89]

i bought a kit of someone on this forum, its basicly a ED kit, ther intercooler kit and manifold, i recently bought ther new v-band downpipe and L/C head gasket. ED have been realy helpfull, ther kit is a good price aswell. i think they use a t25 with ther kit. its good for around 250/260 bhp ive heard. are u not after more power with ur forged block?

 

[simondavies89]

cheers chip il mention it to efi, are they much?. thers so many things involved in a conversion like this.