How do 197's take miles??

[Ged]

Found a few good comparisons of 197's to 182's ect, but i want to know how they fair in the long run, eg mileage..

Looking at a 197 as my next car probably in march time, and being a poor man my budget needs to be under 6k but any cheaper would be an advantage.

Seen a few 197's with 80k on and then one with 100k on with nice spec for like 4600 ect

So has anyone on here got a high miles 197, and problems if they exist?

I know the F4R engine is a good engine and proven in the 1*2 to do silly miles in some cases, but what about everything else in the 197, hows it fair up?

Thanks

 

[mdking]

197 / 200 gearbox are a major cause for concern.

 

[Budgie]

Fuel economy is a no-go if you're after something cheap.

 

[Ged]

can deal with fuel cost... and hm, heard bad things about the gearboxes on here..

 

[Sir_Dave]

4th gear synchro goes.
Mpg is pap.
Lots of suspension parts are 197 specific (re: expensive), unlike the 1*2 which is a 1.2 with a big engine.

Other than that, i cant see why (with proper maintenance) it wouldnt go to silly mileage.

 

[Habitual]

A lot of people talk about the 197 MPG being worse, but I think that's wrong and there's very little in it.

Reason being, I've had both a 172 and a 197 and it costs the same to fill the tank and they both go roughly the same distance.

Additionally, me and a mate drove to Chester together, him in a 182 and me in a 197 and we used the same amount of fuel.

I wouldn't stress over that too much.

Gear box is a genuine cause for concern though.

 

[Chrisgti6]

Mines just about to hit 60k, and touch wood it's all ok.

Just usual wear and tear stuff really, couple of drop links, discs & pads, both front springs but other than that all is well. Things I would expect with any car of this age really considering the state of the UK roads!

 

[Sir_Dave]

A lot of people talk about the 197 MPG being worse, but I think that's wrong and there's very little in it.

I do about 25-30k a year, so know quite a big about mpg, worked out properly, not via the trip computer

182 Trophy: 36mpg
197 Cup: 29mpg

Thats exactly the same daily commute.

 

[Chrisgti6]

I'm currently averaging only 26mpg! lol

That's the average off the trip computer over the last 2k miles. I didn't buy it to worry about getting high MPG!

 

[Sir_Dave]

I'm currently averaging only 26mpg! lol

That's the average off the trip computer over the last 2k miles. I didn't buy it to worry about getting high MPG!

But surely the whole point of a french hot hatch is that its cheap fun?

I got 28mpg out of my M3 lol.

 

[Bux]

Mines currently on about 75k, on the original gearbox. Averaging about 30mpg at the moment, not driving like a granny but also not driving like a loony.

Not really noticed anything going because of the mileage, already had the cambelt done but that needed to be done as it's also 5 years old.

 

[Martin_172]

gearboxes are fine, its the same box thats in your DCi106

MPG is terrible i average 21mpg most weeks, but mine is mostly a toy even though i take it to work with me so id imagine i could get mid 20's if i wanted to!

 

[S22 JGS]

driving normally, by which i mean at the speed limits with burst of throttle here and there i get about 26/27 in my 200.
driving like a granny, and paying attention the the rev counter and making sure in optimum gear i can get about 34 - but its very hard to maintain and i wouldnt say the engine likes it.

Its the gearboxes in the 200 that are the problem, not so much the 197. all ren sport boxes are made of too soft-a materials full stop. I wouldnt say its anything to worry about though unless ure hooning it around, or doing regular track days. I got through 3 in my 172, but that was on track a fair bit.

 

[Mr Burns]

I bought a brand new 197 and after 38k miles it needed a gearbox.

(I did do a few trackdays in it though )

 

[mini_nick]

Ive had 2 197s with no problems, although I sold them before 25k. Interestingly both had gearbox quirks but nothing to worry me too much. One was a bit stiff on the change at high rpm and the other made a strange noise when shifting at high rpm but they never caused any major issues. Would be a bit of a concern long term but I am sure its down to how they are driven.

 

[not normal dan]

tbh I rate them, I had a 172 and now have a 197. Handling wise the 197 is leaps an bounds as standard in front of the 1*2. As said the mpg is a little worse an parts are a little more expensive but it does feel a much better put together car an I can't really see mileage being much of a problem provided there maintained well.

 

[Chrisgti6]

But surely the whole point of a french hot hatch is that its cheap fun?

I got 28mpg out of my M3 lol.

But it's cheaper in virtually every other way, servicing, tyres, brakes, tax, insurance etc etc

Since when is MPG alone an indication of how cheap a car is to run?

 

[Gaz_]

Blinded by BMW love

He'll start on the how you can service it yourself, then flog it off before its next big inspection

Anyway I ran my first up to 45k before I sold it, current Cup is at around 35k. Both spot on. MPG is no worse than say a CTR, of which is similar HP/performance.

Remember cheaper scrabbier 197's will probably need a cambelt, so there's 5-600 before you start.

 

[Knuckles]

I average 36 on my daily commute (have seen 40)

Although I went back up to Sunderland the other day, took the route through Kirkby Stephen and across the a66 (chasing* a monaro) and give it some s**t. It didn't go below 29mpg :approve:

*I say chasing... It pulled onto the a66 20 seconds before me, when I pulled onto it, the monaro was nowhere to be seen lol! Absolute monsters of cars they are. It's made me want one lol :dapprove:


Dont buy cheap unless you're certain it's mint. Iirc pov spec 197s go for around £6k. Up your budget or save longer if need bee and get something decent spec/condition

 

[Mr Burns]

Fuel consumption for me usually stayed around 22, or 11-12 on a trackday. I'm a d!ckhead though.

 

[Jordi17]

It isnt that bad on fuel, when I had my 182 it would average 32mpg. My parents 200 is currently averaging 33mpg. If you drive it hard it will get less, just like any other car.

 

[Stefan.]

a 182 or a 200 isnt a 197 though

 

[Knuckles]

A 200 is pretty much an ugly 197 though really

 

[Stefan.]

A 200 is pretty much an ugly 197 though really

lol thats true, i take it the 200 has overcome the 197 gearbox problems or not

 

[Knuckles]

Nope, they still s**t them out lol. If you do buy one. Make sure it's either had a new box, or take out a warrenty just incase they s**t themselves

 

[Sir_Dave]

But it's cheaper in virtually every other way, servicing, tyres, brakes, tax, insurance etc etc

Since when is MPG alone an indication of how cheap a car is to run?

You'd be amazed at how wrong you are i cant be bothered to write a massive essay, but day to day, without any major breakages, an M3, bar insurance is not really any more to run imho.

Hence why i sold the 197 after 5 minutes, it simply didnt warrant the cost.

 

[Scott™]

Nope, they still s**t them out lol. If you do buy one. Make sure it's either had a new box, or take out a warrenty just incase they s**t themselves

Do you have warranty on yours mate?

 

[Knuckles]

Do you have warranty on yours mate?

Yeah, i think it came to around £300... I figured it'd probably cost more than that if it s***s its box

 

[Jordi17]

A 200 is pretty much an ugly 197 though really

The 200 - Newer, better looking, quicker version

 

[Stefan.]

The 200 - Newer, better looking, quicker version

newer is about it, not better looking thats for sure

 

[Knuckles]

The 200 - Newer, better looking, quicker version

Like the 172 ph2 was newer, better looking and quicker than the ph1?

Same with the 182 and 172 :rasp:

 

[RDH]

The 200 - Newer, better looking, quicker version

Newer - yes. Better looking - from the rear yes, from the front no. Quicker - purely subjective.

How come you sold your 182?

 

[Scott™]

Yeah, i think it came to around £300... I figured it'd probably cost more than that if it s**ts its box

Any links to it mate? Touch wood mine is fine. Some times it refuses first for a few seconds but all told its fine.

 

[Jordi17]

Better looking is obviously personal prefernce, i personally think the 200 makes the 197 look dated.

 

[Knuckles]

Any links to it mate? Touch wood mine is fine. Some times it refuses first for a few seconds but all told its fine.

Ah no sorry, I took it out when I bought the car. I find mine occasionally has a paddy when going into 6th at speed... Which isn't comforting lol.

I do think the 200s have the better diffuser. I much prefer the front of the 197 though, although I wouldn't turn down a 200.

And I wanted the r27 as it was the cheapest to insure and I saw it as a 'milestone' in the 197s; introducing the cup chassis an' all that ... Plus I could get it in yellow with recaros as standard

 

[Mr Burns]

Warranty shmarranty, I took my 2yr old 197 to Renault complaining about the gearbox and they told me to f**k off. So I did, and bought a Japanese car.

 

[Stefan.]

^but if you had warranty and you had a real problem after being inspected concerning your gearbox then you would get it replaced surely? whats warranty for otherwise

 

[Mr Burns]

^but if you had warranty and you had a real problem after being inspected concerning your gearbox then you would get it replaced surely? whats warranty for otherwise

The car was relatively new at the time and the gearbox weakness wasn't commonly known. They claimed that the gearbox was fine and that my driving was to blame, then of course everyone started having the same problem.

 

[Stefan.]

The car was relatively new at the time and the gearbox weakness wasn't commonly known. They claimed that the gearbox was fine and that my driving was to blame, then of course everyone started having the same problem.

typical

 

[Knuckles]

Warranty shmarranty, I took my 2yr old 197 to Renault complaining about the gearbox and they told me to f**k off. So I did, and bought a Japanese car.

Its from an independent dealership, not renault. They do seem like a genuinely decent company. I hope I'm not being daft in trusting them