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if u want to ce ur top of ur tyre ur looking about 35-40mm dropp, but the max ithink is 60-65mm if u got coilies, i dropped 60mm with out any arch mods, just had to rip out the back iner things
well i wud say lower it 40mm if u want a bit of arch gap between arch and alollys. but u can lower your car 60mm on 17s if there 205/40/17 with out to many problems maybe a tad lil scrapeing on full lock.
When I had mine 60mm there were no problems, I've goen down by about 70mm now and the tyres is just catchin the arch round tight corners. 60mm was just above the wheels so how you described: