How much am I looking at for replacement engine (182)?

[cookstar]

Due to the engine being run while completely dry, it is fooked. How much am I looking at to have a recon unit fitted?

And can anyone recommend a company in Herts/London to carry out the work?

Cheers

 

[Addicted]

I'd imagine others would say if you have the ability to do that sort of job, with the prices of the cars at the moment you'd be better breaking it and buying another. Don't quote me though

 

[cookstar]

My wife was driving it at home from work, hit a speed bump, cracked the sump and drove it till it was dry, thought the flashing STOP lights meant it needed petrol.

 

[cookstar]

I've spent quite a bit of money on the car, and would like to repair it mate.

 

[Nick172Cup]

I'll have an engine for sale by the end of next month. Will need a dephaser/cambelt/auxbelt which is about £500, but the engine is a strong one with rolling road printouts to prove. £200

 

[Donny_Dog]

I'll have an engine for sale by the end of next month. Will need a dephaser/cambelt/auxbelt which is about £500, but the engine is a strong one with rolling road printouts to prove. £200

When engine is out, I reckon the belt change prices maybe reduced?

That is a good price though, I paid £275 for a ph1 engine with 75k. Fitted it ourselves mind, but still..

 

[DannyR]

If engine is out it'll be about £250/300 for belts to be done

 

[cookstar]

I'll have an engine for sale by the end of next month. Will need a dephaser/cambelt/auxbelt which is about £500, but the engine is a strong one with rolling road printouts to prove. £200

Timings not great mate, I was thinking of next weekish.

 

[Jimbo_M]

Between around £250 - £300 i would have said with decent mileage on

 

[cookstar]

ANy idea on cost of fitting?

 

[cookstar]

Also I take it there is no actual difference with the 172/182 bare engine?

 

[Jonny1*2]

You'll be looking at around 4 hours to remove and refit engine i'd imagine. Plus time to do belts. Where are you located? There are a few near bedfordshire who are well recommended. Mark Fish is london way. Few options for you really.

 

[Donny_Dog]

Also I take it there is no actual difference with the 172/182 bare engine?

Nothing that'll make any difference to you IIRC. Inlets, manifold and FBW be re-used from your 182 - so you could even go for a ph1 or ph2 I do believe.

 

[cookstar]

You'll be looking at around 4 hours to remove and refit engine i'd imagine. Plus time to do belts. Where are you located? There are a few near bedfordshire who are well recommended. Mark Fish is london way. Few options for you really.

I'm in Hemel Hempstead (Herts) so Beds is fine. Does this mark Fish have a website?

 

[Jacko90]

Danny @519automotive in Bedfordshire is a great guy. He knows what he's doing and would get the car in and out in no time I would have thought.

 

[Revels]

Sell it broken/break it for parts. Buy another one.

 

[Silent_Scone]

ANy idea on cost of fitting?

I paid £500 from a breakers for a reasonable engine with low mileage, then £900 fully fitted and running. Unless you've got a good base already that you want to keep and know nothing else is going to blow up, break it and buy another one

 

[Chip-mk1]

Break the car and buy another one is a good option if you arent confident fitting the engine yourself as these cars are so cheap now that a thousand quid bill to supply a new engine, fit belts, and then fit to car (which would be a low price if anything) doesnt really make any sense.

With regards to recon engines, if yours has run an end (which im sure it has if it was run dry of oil, or do you mean water?) then be very careful who you get a recon engine from as its very involved cleaning all the swarf out of an engine when that has happened and not uncommon for it to fail again in the near future because of a stray bit of metal that wasnt quite cleaned out well enough, you need all the core plugs out and a very thorough clean to stand a chance, and obviously time is money! Not to mention your crank will be scrapped, rods scrapped etc, so loads of new bits, which again is big money, realsitically to do a rebuild properly in that situation, its thousands not hundreds if you include labour, so a secondhand working engine is a far better optionn.

 

[Donny_Dog]

I guess the issue is getting the engine from one source, then having the belt done by another, then getting the engine and car mated by yet another.

If you've got a pickup/van, then you could collect the engine, drive it to someone who'd do the belts, then get a mobile mechanic to fit it at the cars resting place?!

Thats still knocking on the price of a PH1!

Don't know how I'd do it (again) if I had to.

 

[Chip-mk1]

Big problem with secondhand gear is that customers always seem to think cause they have paid for belts and someone to fit, that somehow implies a warranty on the engine, when thats just not realistic, unless you pay someone to find an engine for you, give ita stripdown and inspection, its a bit unlikely they are going to offer you any support if it goes wrong, and obviously if you want them to do all that then the cost will go up so again it makes it not viable.

Only sensible options financially really are DIY or bin the car

 

[mr.pink87]

A 182 engine would be best, due to the rocker cover and crankcase breather setup.

 

[Donny_Dog]

Big problem with secondhand gear is that customers always seem to think cause they have paid for belts and someone to fit, that somehow implies a warranty on the engine, when thats just not realistic, unless you pay someone to find an engine for you, give ita stripdown and inspection, its a bit unlikely they are going to offer you any support if it goes wrong, and obviously if you want them to do all that then the cost will go up so again it makes it not viable.

Only sensible options financially really are DIY or bin the car

Unless he gets it from a trader then you're no more better off IMO. At least with a purchase from a trader you have law on your side, but then trader prices are a bit more.

I'd still recommend getting the engine, even though its a big faff. Depends on your position/circumstance though.

I might be interested in taking the car as it is, if you want rid of it.

 

[Chip-mk1]

Unless he gets it from a trader then you're no more better off IMO. At least with a purchase from a trader you have law on your side, but then trader prices are a bit more.

I doubt the law will be much use to you when buying a secondhand engine TBH. Might cover it against massive initial failure, but thats probably about it.

 

[Donny_Dog]

I doubt the law will be much use to you when buying a secondhand engine TBH. Might cover it against massive initial failure, but thats probably about it.

Sorry, I explained that wrong. In your post you put about buying another car would be a better bet as people would want warranty/liability from someone fitting the new engine or the supplier of the engine.

What I meant to say was that in comparison: Someone fitting an engine VS buying another car - you'd have to get one from a trader to get some form a liability on the car purchase. Otherwise you'll be buying private and you're in the same boat as someone just fitting you an engine - zero comebacks on the private market, whether you buy the car whole or the just the engine.

All depends on the position of the individual in this case - despite what anyone says.

 

[Silent_Scone]

I've seen certain respected specialists on here turn away blocks from breakers yards as they don't like the look of something... honesty is always the best policy - even if it means you're losing out on work

 

[Chip-mk1]

Sorry, I explained that wrong. In your post you put about buying another car would be a better bet as people would want warranty/liability from someone fitting the new engine or the supplier of the engine.

What I meant to say was that in comparison: Someone fitting an engine VS buying another car - you'd have to get one from a trader to get some form a liability on the car purchase. Otherwise you'll be buying private and you're in the same boat as someone just fitting you an engine - zero comebacks on the private market, whether you buy the car whole or the just the engine.

All depends on the position of the individual in this case - despite what anyone says.

Ah yes, sorry I misunderstood you, yes buying a secondhand car you are of course buying a secondhand engine/box/supsension etc too, totally agree.

Although at least if you spend 1500 quid on a car, and the engine does die, the rest is still worth something if you break it, where as if you spend 1500 quid on having someone supply and fit and engine including doing belts etc and it the engine dies, you've got nothing of value for your 1500 quid left.


Buyer beware as always.

 

[Dan519]

I guess the issue is getting the engine from one source, then having the belt done by another, then getting the engine and car mated by yet another.

I would insist on changing belts on any engine I fitted. WAY too much scope for finger pointing/blame if something did go wrong. Infact there would be a bit of a list of jobs I'd want to do, that would make it seem expensive, but be much more longterm sensible

 

[warwickstingray]

My wife was driving it at home from work, hit a speed bump, cracked the sump and drove it till it was dry, thought the flashing STOP lights meant it needed petrol.

That's a bit poor really. Hope she is paying for it. I don't know anyone that wouldn't have pulled over and made a quick call to find out if it was serious before carrying on. Although a flashing stop should have been clear enough!

If you like the car spend the money. I've spent thousands on cars over the years that have only been worth a few hundred. I'd crap myself with shock if I even broke even running a car. Whos to say you won't buy another one that then needs a grand spent on it.

 

[cookstar]

Car was dropped off to Mark Fish this morning, watch this space.

 

[Nick172Cup]

Car was dropped off to Mark Fish this morning, watch this space.

Bloody hell, you must be well off!

At least it'll be done properly...