How much for 55 plate trophy CAT D - quick answer needed !!!!

[LegoHead]

Already got a queue of people.lol.

I paid 400 for them plus petrol and I'm asking 430, been offered 450. That's fair isnt it?

 

[Steve]

Lets say I sell it in a year with 20k on clock, what would it be worth then?

You would be lucky to sell it, save your money & buy a 'good' one.



As for what's it worth now, i personally would not even consider it.
Cat C/D, all the same................it's your money though.

But who are you fooling

Yourself?

 

[Steve]

Already got a queue of people.lol.

I paid 400 for them plus petrol and I'm asking 430, been offered 450. That's fair isnt it?

A front shock for a Trophy is £1800ish, you do the maths!

 

[Steve]

well this CAT d has been on the road for over 6 months that I know of, plus the owners say it drives straight. Would i be getting ripped off if I offer 8k?

YES!!!!!!!

He would say it drives 'staight' he's trying to sell it:quiet:

In the USA there are laws protecting the public from cars like this, Lemons they call them.

 

[Saner]

Steve, there is such a thing as a well repaired car!

true there are lemons but if he's smart he'll be able to spot that.

A properly accident reapaired car is jsut a roadworthy as one that hasn't been in an accident.

 

[Lee]

Ah, probably not that one then. It's not number 52 is it?

It is indeed number 52 and Neil's car. Just found the info on cliotrophy.co.uk

If it had suspension damage, would this have been replaced or deemed too expensive to repair? I think if the suspension hasnt been replaced then the car is not worth 8k.

52 was Strikes old car mate. It was only a week old when it was written off, so that gives you some idea of how serious the damage was.

Quote from Strike " Damage to front suspension, sump and alloys together with bits like the front body work and radiator, have tipped it over the edge. Everything else like the engine, exhaust system, windows, airbags, interior etc etc are still as new. It was a week old. Gutted. "

 

[Steve]

Steve, there is such a thing as a well repaired car!

true there are lemons but if he's smart he'll be able to spot that.

A properly accident reapaired car is jsut a roadworthy as one that hasn't been in an accident.

The insurance company didn't write off a 15K motor just because of a couple of hundred quids worth of damage.

A smashed up & glued together 'ming' vase has the same value as a perfect example:nono:

 

[Josh@Renparts]

what you people are saying is pretty much rubbish... If the original parts are used and the repairs are done to a good standard there is no reason why it wouldn't drive perfectly....

 

[Saner]

The insurance company didn't write off a 15K motor just because of a couple of hundred quids worth of damage.

A smashed up & glued together 'ming' vase has the same value as a perfect example:nono:

First off that is a silly comparison. So i'll ignore that.

Its is more cost effective for the insurance company to pay out for a replacement than pay for the repairs on a new motor.

That does not mean that the vehicle is not worth repairing. As long as whomever buys the vehicle uses genuine parts and fixes it properly it will be just as good as a new car.

 

[Steve]

what you people are saying is pretty much rubbish... If the original parts are used and the repairs are done to a good standard there is no reason why it wouldn't drive perfectly....

Hello, what we are talking about is 'value'.

Damaged goods have less value than perfect.

The reason for buying a trophy is mainly the fantastic handling, so why would you buy one with serious damage??????

These are a limited edition & if you look on CT you can find the history to most cars.

Recently there have been a few problems arrising where an owner has reported a few minor faults & buyers have not bothered to veiw.

Hence in the future what chance have you got of 'keeping value' if the car has CAT D history.

Buy the way i know what im talking about, i've actually got one:butt:

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I can see the threads now:banghead:

My car handles funny why???

Why won't the dealer honour the warranty,

Problems with insurance!!!!

Why won't anyone buy my car!!


But, hey, it's 'YOUR' money..............................

 

[Saner]

Again, your ignoring the fact that if it is fixed to a high standard it will drive, fine.. it will be as though it never had an accident. Can you not understand that?

Yes, It will be worth less, but you will have paid far less for it in teh first place!

 

[Tim172]

Yes, It will be worth less, but you will have paid far less for it in teh first place!

Spot on! Worth less when you buy it and you may sell it for less in the long run, but after a point the price difference between C/D and undamaged will even out. I'd say mileage is a more decisive factor in value, particularly in high performance cars.

 

[John D]

Yes, It will be worth less, but you will have paid far less for it in teh first place!

^^Exactly. Its all relative.

You just have to be damn sure the repairs are up to standard. But thats the risk you take for a cheaper car

 

[Josh@Renparts]

what you people are saying is pretty much rubbish... If the original parts are used and the repairs are done to a good standard there is no reason why it wouldn't drive perfectly....

Hello, what we are talking about is 'value'.

Damaged goods have less value than perfect.

The reason for buying a trophy is mainly the fantastic handling, so why would you buy one with serious damage??????

These are a limited edition & if you look on CT you can find the history to most cars.

Recently there have been a few problems arrising where an owner has reported a few minor faults & buyers have not bothered to veiw.

Hence in the future what chance have you got of 'keeping value' if the car has CAT D history.

Buy the way i know what im talking about, i've actually got one:butt:

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I can see the threads now:banghead:

My car handles funny why???

Why won't the dealer honour the warranty,

Problems with insurance!!!!

Why won't anyone buy my car!!


But, hey, it's 'YOUR' money..............................

I have my own business repairing cars. Mainly HPI clear due to the market value of CAT D and C. but there are only certain points of contact that would cause a problem with making it lose structural integrity/drivability. a car with superficial damage can be Cat D quite easily. Take this Honda for example. Its HPI clear so has no accident history. Give me a good reason why it won't drive right if repaired?

http://www.dhales.co.uk/cgi-bin/osa/ViewPage.cgi?templateName=item_form.htx&itemNumber=592880

 

[Josh@Renparts]

Again, your ignoring the fact that if it is fixed to a high standard it will drive, fine.. it will be as though it never had an accident. Can you not understand that?

Yes, It will be worth less, but you will have paid far less for it in teh first place!

Exactly.

 

[Day]

At least the body panels will be done up tighter than from the factory...

 

[Rage182]

My mate owns a cat d S2000, it drives perfectly, it looks great and he got it for £4.5k less than the equivilent unrepaired car. So when he comes to sell it in a few years or whatever there is no way that he will sell it for less £4.5k than an unrepaired one. so in my mind if you are going to keep the Trophy for a fair few years you will lose less money than someone with an unrepaired one.

 

[LegoHead]

I have decided not to buy this car. Anyone after a CAT D trophy for not alot of money? Call Neil or Lisa from http://www.fourashesrenault.co.uk/
01902 790123

I went for a test drive and compared to mine, there was no noticeable difference in handling between the H+R coilovers and the trophys superduper shocks n springs.

It was only an hour though....awaits slaggage from trophy lovers.



One more thing, the trophy guys dont like us anymore....http://cliotrophy.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2697&highlight=crashed+trophy

 

[Cue]

Be careful Dave. There's a Trophy which a guy bought for his wife which he wasn't aware at the time had been a CAT D. When he came to get some warrenty stuff done Renault flagged it up and it wasn't covered.

It had Cup struts on it and different springs if I remember correctly. There's a chance it could be that. That's been on the road a while and done a couple of RenaultSport track days this year.

Of course it may be a completely different car, but there's not many about, although I know of at least 2 which have been written off from frontal impacts.

i remember the one - he was at Cadwell.

 

[Cue]

Dave, come on.... I know four ashes - where can you test the handling differences in that area???? Get in on a country road and there is (should be) noticeable difference.

I had a 172 with H&R's before this and it's a different animal. Anyone else who has spent time driving the two would be able to tell you.

Two different topics are being discussed here - value (money) and actual safety.

A car with extensive damage is rarely totally repairable - if you started with all new parts including shell n' everything. You couldn't build it to run the same as it should.

FFS robots in the factory rarely produce the same car twice - hense why two cars are slightly different - the camber from one car will be slightly different to the next for example.

A repaired car will have more differences to a standard car. That's not to say it wouldn't be safe or drive ok. But a straightened out piece of metal will never have the rigidity of the metal before impact.

 

[18Stu]

Well, well... just caught up with this thread... addition details about the car. It was the chance the engine needed replacing that the insurers were worried about. The fact the frame may have been damaged as there were creases above the b pillars didn't help. Total damage was something like, 2 alloys, 2 Sachs dampers, cracked sump, radiator, front body work, wing, bonnet, grill etc, christ knows what underneath and of course the roof.

Still gutted... ah well... the impetuousness of youth

 

[polarbert]

Re: How much for 55 plate trophy CAT D

£10k?

For a cat D?!

I'd say £7k tops

Subway just bought a cat C (IRRC, might have been D) V6 225 for £8K

f**king hell thats a good deal.

 

[polarbert]

well this CAT d has been on the road for over 6 months that I know of, plus the owners say it drives straight. Would i be getting ripped off if I offer 8k?

YES!!!!!!!

He would say it drives 'staight' he's trying to sell it:quiet:

In the USA there are laws protecting the public from cars like this, Lemons they call them.

I thought that Lemons were cars that were brand new but not of a satisfactory level?

 

[John D]

One more thing, the trophy guys dont like us anymore....http://cliotrophy.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2697&highlight=crashed+trophy

LOL these forums are ridiculous!

They just don't want to see a Trophy going cheap

 

[John D]

Well, well... just caught up with this thread... addition details about the car. It was the chance the engine needed replacing that the insurers were worried about. The fact the frame may have been damaged as there were creases above the b pillars didn't help. Total damage was something like, 2 alloys, 2 Sachs dampers, cracked sump, radiator, front body work, wing, bonnet, grill etc, christ knows what underneath and of course the roof.

Still gutted... ah well... the impetuousness of youth

Was it you that smashed it? What happened? only a few days old was'nt it?

 

[cK]

Metal becomes stronger when bent, it's called workhardening.

 

[Ad]

Im not having it that subway paid 8k for his V6 255... even if it is listed.

 

[joe81]

wow, i've read this thread, and I can't believe some of the false beliefs. Granted a catagory listed car will be worth less. My brother has been in the car repair business for years, he's an estimator for an insurance preferred company.

I've seen cars come out of the workshop that you could never tell had been damaged, i.e people who haven't declared damage to the insurance! so how would you know it was in a serious smash? I've drove loads and can't tell

Also when a reputable company quotes the insurance company for the repairs they only ever use genuine parts and charge astronomical amounts for labour, it costs a fortune, plus a curt-car, admin, storage etc etc, suddenly the costs mount up. Hence its far easier for the insurance to just simply write them off, there are alot of behind the scenes costs.

Hell, i've even seen showroom cars damaged comin off the lorry and had extensive work carried out on them and sold at full price.

if your cars been involved in an accident, as an owner you can sometimes refuse to have it repaired and get paid out within reason. (Depending on damage)

Cat D cars really are not a major worry if the repairs are done to standard, it usually tends to be superficial damage thats labour intensive.

thats my rant over with

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[Ad]

^ agree 100% mate...

the are some very narrow minded views on here... each to there own eh.

 

[LegoHead]

yes but a cat d can be a few damaged panels or.......cracked sump, battered front end, damaged suspension/subframe and creased roof.

The category doesnt tell you alot about the damage, this is where the aprehension(sp) comes from with these cars.

 

[joe81]

CAT D= superficial repairable parts, wings, bonnet, sump. All replacable but you need a mechanic, a pannel beater, vehicle sprayer etc

CAT C= a car that usually needs 'jigging' and strightening, usually structually damaged and needs a VIC check because of the seriousness of the damage, needs to be checked to ensure its safe.

so if it had sub-frame damage it would be CAT C, hence cat D arn't all that bad, insurance companies wouldn't miss quote this as they auction off the cars to make up some of the losses

yes but a cat d can be a few damaged panels or.......cracked sump, battered front end, damaged suspension/subframe and creased roof.

The category doesnt tell you alot about the damage, this is where the aprehension(sp) comes from with these cars.

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[skinner]

Metal becomes stronger when bent, it's called workhardening.

So the car hasn't been crashed, it's been "work-hardened"...

It's better than before now, honest.

 

[LegoHead]

So how can this car be cat d if it has a creased roof and damaged subframe?

 

[joe81]

The damage could not have been that bad, its not a difficult job to fit a new roof, the damage in ones eyes may look worse than that of a professional. I guess pics would have helped. It all boils down to cost effectiveness, imagine buying the parts for a new week old limited edition car from the dealers?

if the structure of the car was called into question it would have been a CAT C, this would have been varified by the insurance and the auction company by whom it was sold.

So how can this car be cat d if it has a creased roof and damaged subframe?

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[Ian_182]

Regardless of any damage the car is a cat D,end of.
Its not the same as it left the factory .Its been repaired by some numpty or a picasso of the cat D world.It makes no difference,its a shitter.Its damaged goods and in a world where a limited run of a specialist car you are always going to be driving it knowing its not the real deal as it was bought.
Glad the fellow stayed away from it.

ian

 

[Neil G]

Regardless of any damage the car is a cat D,end of.
Its not the same as it left the factory .Its been repaired by some numpty or a picasso of the cat D world.It makes no difference,its a s**tter.Its damaged goods and in a world where a limited run of a specialist car you are always going to be driving it knowing its not the real deal as it was bought.
Glad the fellow stayed away from it.

ian

I tend to agree....I definatelely wouldn't buy one.

 

[Steve]

Regardless of any damage the car is a cat D,end of.
Its not the same as it left the factory .Its been repaired by some numpty or a picasso of the cat D world.It makes no difference,its a s**tter.Its damaged goods and in a world where a limited run of a specialist car you are always going to be driving it knowing its not the real deal as it was bought.
Glad the fellow stayed away from it.

ian

:clap: :clap:

 

[Ad]

yes but a cat d can be a few damaged panels or.......cracked sump, battered front end, damaged suspension/subframe and creased roof.

The category doesnt tell you alot about the damage, this is where the aprehension(sp) comes from with these cars.

You have to be careful, thats for sure, but then my mates has had light front, wing door, one shocker, subframe, and crease in one B pillar???? Listed... No, repaired by insurance company.

Would half of the people on here buy as they wouldnt know?... erm yeah for sure.

 

[Ad]

Take a 182:

Price new £14k... write of margin of 70%= £9800

1yr old (market value of 10k)

apply 7.5ks worth of damage to both cars??? which is worse?? The one year old one will be a write off and the one under 1yr old will be repaired....

people will be none the wiser about the repair and will pay market value for it when its sold....... The CatD will be worth less, but then you will pay less for it.

Its so knaieve to call them damaged goods, the is an more chance of buying a badly repaired HPI clear than a CATD. With the CATD you will be looking not to buy it.

 

[Cue]

it's illegal to conceal a car's history when it's been written off isn't it?