Mike from MWMsport RS2 Phase 1

[TimR26]

Nice work Mike

 

[Chip-mk1]

Are you sure you two have enough clio projects on the go?

We're doing ok for mk2 ones, but could really do with a couple of mk1's to look at this weekend, found a yellow one so far, but could do with another as well? you know of any? lol

 

[tom172cup]

Are you sure you two have enough clio projects on the go?

This but is also good that people are trying new things and making progress with it all

 

[Bluebeard]

This but is also good that people are trying new things and making progress with it all

I've been really impressed with MWM from the (very!) little i've seen of them on here. First the budget turbo build which is still going strong, and then the 197 cams. Both showing that they're thinking ahead.

 

[Chip-mk1]

I've been really impressed with MWM from the (very!) little i've seen of them on here. First the budget turbo build which is still going strong, and then the 197 cams. Both showing that they're thinking ahead.

If you like those, you would have loved his transit connect, he fitted a focus RS engine on Omex and had it running nearly 300bhp, lol

 

[Russ_16v]

Bunch of pikeys :rasp:

 

[Chip-mk1]

Bunch of pikeys :rasp:

Lol, we've both done the whole spending thousands of pounds building engines plenty of times, TBH thats the easy bit, its actually far more interesting adapting things on a budget etc, and often better too if you are using bits from other cars that are well developed, 197 cams for example are better made and better researched than quite a few of the aftermarket ones.

 

[Russ_16v]

Agree on that mate, thats why I did my itb conversion, yes it wasn't as good as a 'proper' one, but is was a third of the price and was great fun giving it a go

 

[Chip-mk1]

Agree on that mate, thats why I did my itb conversion, yes it wasn't as good as a 'proper' one, but is was a third of the price and was great fun giving it a go

Yeah man, I admired you for giving it a go, even if I did think you should have just gone aftermarket on the cheap instead of paying to have it mapped on standard ECU, would have been far better on secondhand mtech or omex etc.

 

[Russ_16v]

Yeah, i can appreciate that, but hearing for so long 'it can't be done' I thought screw it and me and dan came up with some ideas and did it. All in for under £700, but with aftermarket management it would have stuck the price up even more - in hindsight i wish i had kept it longer and gone aftermarket at some point but meh, can't dwell on the past and all that!

Im hoping I may find another well priced set of itb's

 

[Chip-mk1]

Well once dan is on aftermarket, he could always go really pikey with some bike bodies if he can find a decent manifold, they worked wonders on my XE corsa, easily good for over 200bhp on the right engine.

 

[Michael Woodford MST]

It's that saying that has inspired me to do most of the crazy stuff I've done! (It can't be don't)

197 inlet on 172- done!
Turbo standard F4R730 to over 260bhp- done!
197 cams in 172- done!
RS2 on Ph1- done!

 

[Russ_16v]

Supercharged and turbocharged ph1 Mike - IT CANT BE DONE

Spoiler

I expect to see this completed by the end of next week

 

[tom172cup]

Lol Russ

 

[Michael Woodford MST]

Supercharged and turbocharged ph1 Mike - IT CANT BE DONE

Spoiler

I expect to see this completed by the end of next week

You fund it, I'm 100% sure I could build it

 

[Russ_16v]

f**k it, il give it a go, should be a good laugh

 

[TimR26]

I want Mike to start working on Meganes next.

 

[Michael Woodford MST]

I want Mike to start working on Meganes next.

Trouble with the Meggys is, you can already easily get more power out of them than the bottom end can handle, witch means a full forged built before having a play with anything.

 

[George182]

I love the - let's give it a go - attitude!

 

[w33 brl]

Supercharged and turbocharged ph1 Mike - IT CANT BE DONE

Spoiler

I expect to see this completed by the end of next week

+1 Would love to see this be done

 

[Hixle]

I've been really impressed with MWM from the (very!) little i've seen of them on here. First the budget turbo build which is still going strong, and then the 197 cams. Both showing that they're thinking ahead.

Completely agree Dan.

Nice work Mike

 

[Michael Woodford MST]

Completely agree Dan.

Nice work Mike

Cheers guys

 

[Tutuur]

Trouble with the Meggys is, you can already easily get more power out of them than the bottom end can handle, witch means a full forged built before having a play with anything.

how far did you went on standard bottom end? clio 16v and williams rods are thicker/beefier so if the rods are the restricting before the pistons do that could be a cheap upgrade!

 

[Chip-mk1]

how far did you went on standard bottom end? clio 16v and williams rods are thicker/beefier so if the rods are the restricting before the pistons do that could be a cheap upgrade!

Tbh with them being loads of hassle to change and not much money for steel ones anyway it seems pointless pulling it all apart just to fit slightly different secondhand ones in it that may have been mistreated etc.

 

[Tutuur]

but that's the thought behind these try-outs init
he could aswell just forged your Clio because it's a hassle to replace the inners if they might break.

the reason i'm asking is cause i'm pulling my engine apart to replace the piss f4 rods for something stronger as i'm wanting to go over 300bhp

 

[-J-]

Mike took me for a spin in this tonight, my does it pull !

All the way round to the limiter 6k to to the limiter comes up very fast!

197 cams are next on the list I think!

 

[Pedro19]

Mike took me for a spin in this tonight, my does it pull !

All the way round to the limiter 6k to to the limiter comes up very fast!

197 cams are next on the list I think!

Me too

 

[JamesT87]

Mike,

Looks awesome chap! When are you getting it upto surreyRR? I maybe interested in your setup as previously dicussed

James

 

[Michael Woodford MST]

Mike,

Looks awesome chap! When are you getting it upto surreyRR? I maybe interested in your setup as previously dicussed

James

For some reason, I thought you were selling yours??

 

[Chip-mk1]

but that's the thought behind these try-outs init
he could aswell just forged your Clio because it's a hassle to replace the inners if they might break.

Mine was a testbed car to see what the standard bits can do, so forged bits in that instance would have made no sense, but yes I agree with your principle.
Im actually trying to decide at the moment whether to forge mine or not in fact.

It desperately needs at least a new set of things now, as it was a tired old knackered bottom end before it got turbo'd nearly 10 thousand miles ago and I wound the boost up a couple of thousand miles ago, so its really done itself proud but there is no way its going to keep going for much longer as its breathing as heavy as an asthmatic rapist in a police interview.

So Im in the situation where I'm going to be doing all the work to pull the pistons out anyway (or build up a spare bottom end) and I cant decide if I should forge it or not TBH.

I will be fitting a set of supertech valves, and I'll obviously have to put new belts and gaskets etc on as well, and I will convert to ARP head studs at the same time of course, so even if I do just rings and a set of ARP its going to cost me just over 1K total plus obviously a lot of my time for labour, and if instead of getting rings and ARP I get forged pistons and rods, it would only put that up by another 500 quid or so, which is a pretty small increase on top.

so at first glance it seems like a no brainer to go for the forged bits, but on the other hand I genuinely dont want any more power now, there would be no point unless I was going Vag box and diff as well, and Im not going to do that as the time and money would be better spent on my mk1 instead, so seems a bit pointless change the rods and pistons at all just to sit at under 300bhp.

the reason i'm asking is cause i'm pulling my engine apart to replace the piss f4 rods for something stronger as i'm wanting to go over 300bhp

Yeah I guess once its in bits, it makes sense to swap the rods then as the cost is obviously almost zero, but TBH I think the pistons are more of an issue than the rods from my point of view and if you are buying forged pistons its really cheap to buy a pistons and rods set instead.

 

[2Damnsly Andy]

There are a few companies around offering soem good after market cams that produce a nice increase in bhp and performance once mapped, how do the 197 cams compare?

 

[Chip-mk1]

There are a few companies around offering soem good after market cams that produce a nice increase in bhp and performance once mapped, how do the 197 cams compare?

If you were looking for an equivalent aftermarket cam, it would be along the lines of a 428 catcam.

Ie its a relatively mild upgrade.

Its not the cam to use for chasing massive numbers, but its a good cheap upgrade which is very easy to live with.

 

[Tutuur]

Yeah I guess once its in bits, it makes sense to swap the rods then as the cost is obviously almost zero, but TBH I think the pistons are more of an issue than the rods from my point of view and if you are buying forged pistons its really cheap to buy a pistons and rods set instead.

well it isn't in bits yet but for some reasons going to pull the engine so might as well pull it apart

i don't know what your C/R is with the 197 head but atleast you won't have to go low comp pistons right? i've specced the 3 F pistons and put them up in an excel file:

i'm going to skim a set of F7R pistons again only this time i'll just flat top them -1mm. C/R will be 9:1 and crown thickness will be .25mm thinner then OE F4RT pistons.
as the casting of the F7 pistons is much better than F4RT pistons i'm confident they will hold upto or even slightly over 300bhp which is my next goal

sorry for the hijack but i'm sure this will be of use for anybody!

 

[2Damnsly Andy]

Holy cow thats mental, I wish I knew what it all meant.

 

[Luke.]

I will be fitting a set of supertech valves, and I'll obviously have to put new belts and gaskets etc on as well, and I will convert to ARP head studs at the same time of course, so even if I do just rings and a set of ARP its going to cost me just over 1K total plus obviously a lot of my time for labour, and if instead of getting rings and ARP I get forged pistons and rods, it would only put that up by another 500 quid or so, which is a pretty small increase on top.

so at first glance it seems like a no brainer to go for the forged bits, but on the other hand I genuinely dont want any more power now, there would be no point unless I was going Vag box and diff as well, and Im not going to do that as the time and money would be better spent on my mk1 instead, so seems a bit pointless change the rods and pistons at all just to sit at under 300bhp.

Why not go for F4RT pistons and rods for the power you have they will handle that pretty well? This was the route I was going to go down originally but plans have changed now..

Also F4RT pistons and rods can be picked up quite cheap now a days

 

[Michael Woodford MST]

Why not go for F4RT pistons and rods for the power you have they will handle that pretty well? This was the route I was going to go down originally but plans have changed now..

Also F4RT pistons and rods can be picked up quite cheap now a days

But then it's embarrassing having to tell everyone you have FART parts in your engine. Lol.

 

[Luke.]

It could also be used as an advantage when you 's**t' all over their car when they try to race you..

 

[Michael Woodford MST]

LOL!!!

 

[Laine_16v]

Why not go for F4RT pistons and rods for the power you have they will handle that pretty well?

Thats what im doing, i've been told they can take 1.3Bar / 300bhp, so ideal for me. Although i guess running that power arseholes will be clenched everytime you hit boost incase the pistons explode into a million pieces

 

[Luke.]

I have heard of them running over 300bhp, I think the main thing they struggle with is the torque, not 100% sure though. but they can easily and reliably run 280bhp with decent torque figures..