MK1 Phase 3 RSI wheels, 14's What brakes? Biggest? Best? HELP!

[MK1PH3Peter]

Hi!
Looking at doing a conversion on my MK1 phase 3, but need some info on brakes! What are the biggest/best brakes I can fit under my 14's? Do the williams ones fit straight onto my car? in the wheels too? Do I NEED the rear beam changed to Disc?

Help much Appreciated guys!

 

[Zmaster2k]

i dont think you will fit the valve/williams brake set up under 14" wheels,

no you dont NEED the rear beam to be changed... but drums are seriously uncool

 

[Djw John]

Me again! We swapped to discs on Daves turbo at the back but for the valver we didnt bother. TBH its a purely cosmetic thing, drums work just as well but, imo, more reliably on the back

 

[Zmaster2k]

lol id agree... drums are epic

 

[MK1PH3Peter]

Just trying to save money tbh, dont need new wheels if I can avoid it... although some Turinis or Willy wheels could look EPIC.
Think im going to keep the drums when I convert it, too much hassle and money, The're hammerited black so not so noticeable

Thanks Guys!

 

[Djw Dave]

Drums are better for the back, like John said we swapped to discs on the back of my turbo for the look tbh.

Racking my brains i'd say No they wont fit. Swapping onto 15's wouldn't be too dear and the tyres are cheaper with more of a choie to boot.

I had some megane wheels on mines. Looked pretty good for £50

Also the more i think about it. The calipers for the 5Gtt, willy and clio 16v are the same, the difference is the carriers. You Could use 5 turbo carriers, that would drop down the disc size but you'd have the bigger calipers with larger piston area and better stopping power and you'd still be able to keep your 14" wheels.

 

[MK1PH3Peter]

That looks good with disc, but Dont think its worth it :/
Yeah 195/45/15's are so much cheaper but If I go to 15's I'll want decent wheels, Williams or Turninis

So If i can pick up a set of Williams calipers for the front, 5 GT turbo Caliper carriers, what size disc should I have? Mine are currently 238mm SOLID discs. Are Williams/16/5GTT brakes for Vented Discs?

Will this pretty much bolt on and need bleeding? Do I need a new Master/slave Cylinder? Brake lines?

Sorry for asking so many questions!!! Help is so much Appreciated! Finally getting somewhere!

 

[Zmaster2k]

just to clarify Williams Calipers and 16v calipers are the same items

why not just do

16v/willy calipers carriers and discs?! Straight bolt on job

 

[MK1PH3Peter]

Because they won't fit under my 14inch wheels :/

 

[Zmaster2k]

get 15" wheels then.. as stated before.. much more tyre choice

 

[Djw Dave]

That looks good with disc, but Dont think its worth it :/
Yeah 195/45/15's are so much cheaper but If I go to 15's I'll want decent wheels, Williams or Turninis

So If i can pick up a set of Williams calipers for the front, 5 GT turbo Caliper carriers, what size disc should I have? Mine are currently 238mm SOLID discs. Are Williams/16/5GTT brakes for Vented Discs?

Will this pretty much bolt on and need bleeding? Do I need a new Master/slave Cylinder? Brake lines?

Sorry for asking so many questions!!! Help is so much Appreciated! Finally getting somewhere!

The rear dics are really not needed, i was just throwing money at mines (wish i hadn't now mind you) but keep the drums well serviced and they will do you fine.

The 5 turbo runs 238mm vented discs, so youd be the same disc size, but with a better braking force from the larger calipers.

Should just bolt on and bleed through (remember do the back as well). Use a good dot 4 brake fluid from castrol or the likes.

This is all from memory, it's been a few years since i stopped playing with mk1's.

As for getting Calipers, just look for a set of 5 turbo ones, williams, mk1 16v, 5 turbo (and i think the mk2 1.2 16v) all had the same calipers, just different carriers.

 

[skydiver]

Carriers-calipers from clio mk2 with ABS!They run 259mm vented disc.

 

[MK1PH3Peter]

Will they fit under my 14's? Do they bolt on to my current hubs?

 

[Zmaster2k]

no, run 15"s

 

[skydiver]

Kangoo run 14's and fit 259mm.Also clio mk2 phase 2 run 14's with 259mm disc.Plug'n'play................

 

[Djw Dave]

The mk2 calipers are the same as willy and valver ones. So don't think they would fit under the 14's.

 

[MK1PH3Peter]

Arrrgghhh... Basically I need to find someone with a Williams or Valver or MK2 PH2 and test fit my front wheels? Best way to check really...

Had a though the other day, What about the MK1 Clio RSI? Thats where my Wheels are from in the first place, Will those brakes be good enough?

 

[Djw Dave]

I'd try for the bigger ones, i think RSI run solid discs.

They wont fit, i'm certain of it infact.

I had Rsi wheels but never used them, i'm pretty sure for the brake reason.

5gtt discs, pads, calipers and carriers would solve the problem.

 

[mr.pink87]

My MK2 1.2 runs the 259mm discs and 14" wheels fit without any problems.

 

[skydiver]

My MK2 1.2 runs the 259mm discs and 14" wheels fit without any problems.

 

[MK1PH3Peter]

Ok, so Renault 5GTT Brakes would be good enough to stop my car with an F7R in it? Or would the MK2 1.2 brakes be better?

Thanks

 

[mr.pink87]

Same brakes, aren't they? MK2 1.2 brakes were also used on the 1.6 16v's. With uprated pads you'll be fine i'd say.

 

[skydiver]

MK2 1.2 brakes were also used on the 1.6 16v's. With uprated pads you'll be fine i'd say.

With ABS,vented 259mm.

 

[MK1PH3Peter]

I don't have Abs currently, will my master/slave cylinders be up to the job with 5GTT brakes or do I need the whole system?

 

[MK1PH3Peter]

Got 15x7 Williams wheels so getting 16v/Williamss calipers and carriers with 259mm vented discs Thanks for the help

 

[Djw John]

Nice one wwill look great

 

[Zmaster2k]

Told ya!

 

[MK1PH3Peter]

Thanks guys! Will put up some Photos when i've have the wheels powder coated and new rubber put on! Will be next month... cashflow is somewhat sh*t right now