Mk2 172/172 Cup track width...

[Dave S2K]

How much wider is the front and rear track on a 172 Cup than on the Mk2 172?

Also, is the track on a 182 Cup any wider than the 172 Cup?

Cheers.

Dave.

 

[16v_jon]

172 and cup are the same the cup has wider offset wheels to make it seem like a wider track

 

[Dave S2K]

Do you know what extra track the different offset gives?

 

[The Hoff]

Think its around 10mm at the rear and 20mm at the front, but could be wrong.

 

[Dave S2K]

Cheers ozzyo.

 

[Dave S2K]

Anyone else know for certain?

 

[MarkCup]

Just checker my Renault Cup 172 brochure...and that is definitely right.

They also increased castor angle by 3 degrees on the Cup compared to the FF 172.

 

[fizzy_drink]

Think its around 10mm at the rear and 20mm at the front, but could be wrong.

All four wheels are the same - therefore some of it was down to the wheels, and the rest down to the hubs (if what you're saying is correct).

 

[MarkCup]

Good point Oms, not thought of that before.

Defo 20mm at front, and 10mm at rear though.

 

[fizzy_drink]

^^^

Therefore... there MUST be something different with the front geometry, and not just different wheel offsets!

Damn, I'm good


(ahem, yes I have just repeated myself )

 

[Dave S2K]

Cheers guys, much appreciated!

 

[izibizi]

http://www.rs-team.org/gamme/gamme.php?p=1&id1=rs3&id2=rag

so, to be exact its 22mm front, 8mm rear (not considering wheel offsets)
and 172cup has different steering geometry, front track set at 0 degrees, rear at +32" (opened rear track)

 

[ripp]

This has to be a mega bump lol!
But I'm no sure even now after so many years reading about these cars about the track of the 172 cup.
People say that it has the subframe holes drilled wider to increase the track. This combined with the lower offset wheels should give quite an impressive track gain.
However what about the 182 cup?
On paper I think it has the same track as the 172 cup but the 182 cup Turinis have et45 VS et38 (172 cup) offset.
So either the 182 has a narrower track or it reaches the same track helped by the different hubs?
And what about the subframe? Is the 182 cup subframe the same build as the 172 cup?

 

[Suspect]

threads/different-1-2-suspension-arrangements.803024/#post-11298797

Hope that’s helps

 

[Suspect]

Nudge got this right

 

[Suspect]

Midge^^

 

[Suspect]

This has to be a mega bump lol!
But I'm no sure even now after so many years reading about these cars about the track of the 172 cup.
People say that it has the subframe holes drilled wider to increase the track. This combined with the lower offset wheels should give quite an impressive track gain.
However what about the 182 cup?
On paper I think it has the same track as the 172 cup but the 182 cup Turinis have et45 VS et38 (172 cup) offset.
So either the 182 has a narrower track or it reaches the same track helped by the different hubs?
And what about the subframe? Is the 182 cup subframe the same build as the 172 cup?

Different 1*2 suspension arrangements

I've been doing some searching but not come up with much. Has anyone ever measured the differences between 172, 172 Cup, 182 and 182 Cup suspension parts? What are the actual differences? I know the damper bolt spacing is different on the 182 Cup, but what about the actual hub dimensions? Am I...

cliosport.net

 

[ripp]

Ok so if the ph2 subframes ar all the same according to the thread above, and the wishbone also on the 172 and 182 cups that means the 172 cup still has a wider track due to the wheel offset?
I find this odd

 

[Vaughan]

I'm in Australia and we never got the 172 Cup, but we got the 172 P2 and the upgraded 172 P2 with ESP. The 172 ESP has increased-camber lower wishbones which I believe were from the 172 Cup. The wishbones are interchangeable and in fact the increased-camber parts have replaced the earlier part (be sure to replace in pairs). The only difference is the lower ball joint mounting hole is a few millimetres forward to increase the camber.

 

[Krarl]

Castor not camber