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The Jinx
This is BBR that made the claims not Renault. You think a rolling road is constant? What about ambient temperature? It doesnt even begin to simulate the quantities of air that can be swallowed by an engine under normal road use for a kick off.
Dyno testing an engine is the only way you can get accurate power figures. Rolling roads are better used for setting cars up and determining how a car is making its power and seeing if there are flatspots/trouble etc.
The Jinx
Why would someone sell Renault parts rather than their own gear? Why eould anyone buy the renault parts from anyone other than Renault?
I think your source is incorrect. Maybe the fanny mould is a r-sport job but none of the bits mentioned in evo are claimed to be renault bits or tested by renault. Why would renault give a toss about an aftermarket tuner on a run-out model of car?
Either way you look at it you will never get 16bhp using a chip, cat back and panel filter.
Renault make loads of uprated parts they do have quite a racing pedigree,the cam and ecu are renault,i think they might use the r-sport inlet manifold,i couldnt care less if this kit is a load of sh*te but ive been told by people related to renault who have seen this proven
Thats the dfination of Group N parts little modification is allowed. You can yes buy the bits but there not the best and not hugly modified there are better cams and better throttle bodies (individal ones for a start). The ECu is programmed for a drop in so its not perfect they are just easy you buy the cams etc and ECu plug them in and go no need for an aftermarket remap at £500. However they arnt perfect mapping to the cars needs.
Renault sport make plenty of racing parts yes, but what is this kit supposedly using?
Either way, the renault sport parts are very very far from the be all and end all of optimum performance, in many ways they can be seen as crap. I still cant see how it makes 202bhp even with renault sport filter, cams, remap and exhaust.
Its not renault parts!!
It is a BBR star chip a cat back exhaust and a panel filter. I do not know about the cams but I imagine BBR would source there own cams (cheaper).
Why would BBR use Renault parts?
Why would Renault rolling road a UK tuning firms car to verify power figures?
R Sport inlet Manifold? I thought all 182s had a Renault Sport Inlet manifold.
All questions to matty w and his unreliable source!
Quote: Originally posted by ian 182 on 08 September 2005
I would be suprised to see 202 bhp,the engine is already in a high state of tune as it is.ian
250bhp N/A is possible out of that engine, but find £12K to do it!!!
i mean look at the old vaxhuall red tops!! they can happily produce 250bhp N/A
I cant be arsed to argue the toss about this,it would be easier for bbr to buy r-sport cams than source there own,surely renault would be happier to keep the warranty on the car if they were there parts,
ben r why are you saying these parts are crap you dont like people saying things about your products do you
This is all i have to say on this subject i wont be having this kit,i was only trying to inform people of what i had been told about this package end of
The Jinx
The warranty isnt with Renault, its with BBR.
if you knew ANYTHING about tuning you would realise that NA tuning is not only expensive, but also extremely difficult to get decent gain from, so when someone comes on the market saying "we can do this, we can do that" then you want to see the results proven do you not? Now Ben has been in this game for long enough and him and Andy have been at the forefront of the tuning scene and have built the quickest Clios to date on N/A engines... Id say that qualifies him to say its "crap" if those were his words. Id agree, no f**king way is that car making 200+bhp from a set of cams and an off shelf chip, you need headwork and total custom remap, decat as well, then, only if you are lucky and have a strong engine will you see the suggested figures. imo anyway, id like to see BBR prove everyone wrong, but somehow I think their figures are just a bit too optimistic.
The Clio with the reg number featured in the magazines was booked on to 2 of our trackdays. It failed to make it both times which is a shame as it would have been good to see it in action
Would be good if it was the genuine article. Maybe Renault could consider approving a Works type package for the new RS Clio that would leave the warrantly intact. That way, they can still develop the car to appeal to the broadest customer base, but have an option there for owners who want (and are prepared to pay extra) for a bit more performance.
Hows about the £899 package they mention though? For someone like me with little experience in the engine bay, a (claimed) 14bhp increase with a 3 year warranty seems like a good deal. The warranty is the key point for me, cant complain at that as they are clearly backing their work with a guarantee of sorts.
Im not fussed about figures and the like, just how it feels, if it feels quicker and noticeably goes quicker Im happy. Couldnt care less if that was the result of a kit that claims 40bhp or one that claims 14bhp, if its more fun to drive Im happy.
True, but then how can such things be regulated because as we know different tests give different results. Much like mpg, the Focus C-MAX quotes about 10mpg higher than virtually anyone Ive read about has actually ever managed.
I guess my point was that, regardless of quoted figures (which to me are just marketing tools, not realistic performance figures), the £899 package sounds very appealing, only thing is I would need to drive one or hear from someone on here I trust with it to know if I should ever do it or not. It sounds like it keeps the general characteristics of the car, which to me is more important than getting 250bhp but having what amounts to a completely different car.
will soon have cars that people can come down and try, compaired to their own cars....
we have tested losts of cars before and after on the same rollers... does vary powerwise
BBR produce a really well constructed product, but its not going to be 202 bhp everytime.. some will be more, some less.
although most of the gains are with drivability and tractability.... 20 bhp is a large chunk for £1850.... would like too have a go in one...
Ben and I have tested quite a few cars with variuos mods on them and they are all different... some have proven to be quite supprising.... so nothing is taken as read or expected....
if you feel the cars going better then its all worth it.
clio sport trophy
I just found this company in francde, guys from renault sport started their companie and have god prices for the clio.
and prices in euro are with work done and dyno tune.
and just the other side of the chanel.
and prices in euro are with work done and dyno tune.
and just the other side of the chanel.
