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hey guys,
So here we go, before i start can i please emphasize all of the below are all of my personal opinions/thoughts/views/experiences and I will give my honest opinion, please dont hate on me because you think differently! I have made this thread for people who have limited knowledge of mechanics/tuning as myself and are looking to go for the itb kit's available.
First off
Spec
Clio 182
AT power throttlebodies (standard cam)
Gen90 ecu
Milltek exhaust + decat
Reason for choosing ITB
After modifying a few other cars I always did everything apart from tune the engines of the cars, and by the time it came to the engine I got a little bored and found myself looking for other faster cars, so with my clio I decided to go straight to the engine side of things first. There are many ways to get more power out of the clio but for real power we all know it comes down to the big 3. After a fair bit of reading about the ''big 3'' I boiled it down to the supercharger kit or throttlebodies, as a weekend car and wanting to try some track time all I knew was both made the car faster and to be honest it came down to cost! I dont have x000 amounts of money floating about, I worked really hard to save up for these and when it came to choosing s/c or itbs the £1500ish difference was a big deal to me. So ITB's was my choice!
Time Scale
After talking to a few companies I finally set my deposit down on a friday and the car was booked into their garage for the monday, After lots of useful phone updates about the car one week later she was ready to pick up. Ive only had to go back to the garage once to have abit of cold start work and a update to the ecu.
The Bodies (looks)
When i went to pick up the car I checked over the kit, I had seemed to have lots alot from under the bonnet inlet manifolds, airbox ect The bodies themselves look very professionally made and made the rest of my dirty engine bay look terrible haha! As i had gone for the shorter trumpets keeping my slam panel, aircon ect I personally was abit worried about how close they was sitting to slam panel but was soon assure when traveling at high speeds there will be more then enough cold air getting to the filter. I made the best of the situation and removed the blanking plate behind the grill, lost the rug under the hood, chopped out as much of the slam panel and grill as I could without having to use bonnet pins.
The Gen90
I wont go too much into this as I don't know really that much about it other then it seems very sophisticated, I did originally want the ec1 but was advised to go for the gen90 for the advantage of less plumbing time and ease of removing if i wished to sell on plus there wasnt much price difference between the two. When I did pick the car up I think every dash light was on, auto lights didnt work, trip computer didnt work but was soon solved on the second visit with a simple update.
Power
The car started its life at 169bhp, I started with a rstuning remap before the bodies which took the clio to 177.5bhp. I received a phone call near the end of the week while been fitted to tell me my car had made 190bhp and after seeing other peoples results I was a little disappointed but the mapper told me he will keep trying to squeeze a few more ponies out for me, about an hour later I got a phone call again to say the car had now made 192.9bhp which the car is currently at. (graphs to follow)
Performance
Again my personal honest opinion, let me start by saying if you are wanting anything like the feel of boost then all I can say is go for boost! You are not getting anything neck snapping with throttlebodies. It did feel fast when I test drove the car, I dont know if thats anything to do with the fact I'd driven a 1.3 p reg fiesta for the week she was away. After i was used to the car again, I dont know how to say thing but its all abit smooth you dont really seem to be going that fast, but looking at the speedo the 30-100 times have increased massively!! Where the car seemed to lack off before it just powers through now right up to the limiter, I do seem to get abit of torque steer in second gear but nothing major. Standard brakes stop the car fine although 4 pots would be nice I dont think they are necessary.
Fuel
I didnt ITB my car to save fuel but it seems people like to know what they are running so here we go, (please note I run v-power) before the kit was fitted i was running around 35mpg when i picked the car up the trip computer said it was 32mpg on the drive home I wasnt doing anything silly just driving steady with a couple of blips the t/c kept on dropping and dropping it eventually stopped on 18mpg which I thought was abit low so i reset the t/c and now all it says is 0.1mpg Im guessing this has something to do with the ecu but ill get that looked at later, all i can say is fuel goes FAST I reckon not thrashing it everywhere you'd be looking at around 22-25mpg at most.
The Sound
Everybody always talks about the sound of throttleodies in some sort of legendary way, driving steady away the car sounds no different just the usual exhaust tones ect taking the car above 4000rpm it really does seem to kick in very deep and just simply sounds powerful. I dont know what other people have done on youtube ect but mine sounds different not quite as loud maybe its the shorter trumpets giving off less sounds i dont know? All in all it does make me smile hearing them!
Price
Last section is the cost of the kit. The total cost of my kit was £2850 which is £100 more then if I had gone for ec1 ecu. All I can say on this situation is I really didnt realize the total cost's to build an itb clio. Yes the kit is £2850 but then if you want the aircon removed, shorter radiator, slam panel removed, bonnet pins ect I was quoted £1199 + vat for this doing, then if your wanting cams aswell I was also quoted £900, so basically to build a no compromise you are talking along the lines of £4949 maybe cheaper if all done at once/yourself but you get the jist of the extra pieces needed to finish off the car. So if your undecided weather to get s/c or itb's I'd probably say they are on par with each other price wise. You seriously need to take everything into consideration and have to be dedicated to the build.
Ps. Videos, Pictures, graphs, will be upload in due course
I hope this review will be useful to somebody that is in the situation I was in before I made my decision, and will hopefully guide them into the right direction!
Thanks for reading
So here we go, before i start can i please emphasize all of the below are all of my personal opinions/thoughts/views/experiences and I will give my honest opinion, please dont hate on me because you think differently! I have made this thread for people who have limited knowledge of mechanics/tuning as myself and are looking to go for the itb kit's available.
First off
Spec
Clio 182
AT power throttlebodies (standard cam)
Gen90 ecu
Milltek exhaust + decat
Reason for choosing ITB
After modifying a few other cars I always did everything apart from tune the engines of the cars, and by the time it came to the engine I got a little bored and found myself looking for other faster cars, so with my clio I decided to go straight to the engine side of things first. There are many ways to get more power out of the clio but for real power we all know it comes down to the big 3. After a fair bit of reading about the ''big 3'' I boiled it down to the supercharger kit or throttlebodies, as a weekend car and wanting to try some track time all I knew was both made the car faster and to be honest it came down to cost! I dont have x000 amounts of money floating about, I worked really hard to save up for these and when it came to choosing s/c or itbs the £1500ish difference was a big deal to me. So ITB's was my choice!
Time Scale
After talking to a few companies I finally set my deposit down on a friday and the car was booked into their garage for the monday, After lots of useful phone updates about the car one week later she was ready to pick up. Ive only had to go back to the garage once to have abit of cold start work and a update to the ecu.
The Bodies (looks)
When i went to pick up the car I checked over the kit, I had seemed to have lots alot from under the bonnet inlet manifolds, airbox ect The bodies themselves look very professionally made and made the rest of my dirty engine bay look terrible haha! As i had gone for the shorter trumpets keeping my slam panel, aircon ect I personally was abit worried about how close they was sitting to slam panel but was soon assure when traveling at high speeds there will be more then enough cold air getting to the filter. I made the best of the situation and removed the blanking plate behind the grill, lost the rug under the hood, chopped out as much of the slam panel and grill as I could without having to use bonnet pins.
The Gen90
I wont go too much into this as I don't know really that much about it other then it seems very sophisticated, I did originally want the ec1 but was advised to go for the gen90 for the advantage of less plumbing time and ease of removing if i wished to sell on plus there wasnt much price difference between the two. When I did pick the car up I think every dash light was on, auto lights didnt work, trip computer didnt work but was soon solved on the second visit with a simple update.
Power
The car started its life at 169bhp, I started with a rstuning remap before the bodies which took the clio to 177.5bhp. I received a phone call near the end of the week while been fitted to tell me my car had made 190bhp and after seeing other peoples results I was a little disappointed but the mapper told me he will keep trying to squeeze a few more ponies out for me, about an hour later I got a phone call again to say the car had now made 192.9bhp which the car is currently at. (graphs to follow)
Performance
Again my personal honest opinion, let me start by saying if you are wanting anything like the feel of boost then all I can say is go for boost! You are not getting anything neck snapping with throttlebodies. It did feel fast when I test drove the car, I dont know if thats anything to do with the fact I'd driven a 1.3 p reg fiesta for the week she was away. After i was used to the car again, I dont know how to say thing but its all abit smooth you dont really seem to be going that fast, but looking at the speedo the 30-100 times have increased massively!! Where the car seemed to lack off before it just powers through now right up to the limiter, I do seem to get abit of torque steer in second gear but nothing major. Standard brakes stop the car fine although 4 pots would be nice I dont think they are necessary.
Fuel
I didnt ITB my car to save fuel but it seems people like to know what they are running so here we go, (please note I run v-power) before the kit was fitted i was running around 35mpg when i picked the car up the trip computer said it was 32mpg on the drive home I wasnt doing anything silly just driving steady with a couple of blips the t/c kept on dropping and dropping it eventually stopped on 18mpg which I thought was abit low so i reset the t/c and now all it says is 0.1mpg Im guessing this has something to do with the ecu but ill get that looked at later, all i can say is fuel goes FAST I reckon not thrashing it everywhere you'd be looking at around 22-25mpg at most.
The Sound
Everybody always talks about the sound of throttleodies in some sort of legendary way, driving steady away the car sounds no different just the usual exhaust tones ect taking the car above 4000rpm it really does seem to kick in very deep and just simply sounds powerful. I dont know what other people have done on youtube ect but mine sounds different not quite as loud maybe its the shorter trumpets giving off less sounds i dont know? All in all it does make me smile hearing them!
Price
Last section is the cost of the kit. The total cost of my kit was £2850 which is £100 more then if I had gone for ec1 ecu. All I can say on this situation is I really didnt realize the total cost's to build an itb clio. Yes the kit is £2850 but then if you want the aircon removed, shorter radiator, slam panel removed, bonnet pins ect I was quoted £1199 + vat for this doing, then if your wanting cams aswell I was also quoted £900, so basically to build a no compromise you are talking along the lines of £4949 maybe cheaper if all done at once/yourself but you get the jist of the extra pieces needed to finish off the car. So if your undecided weather to get s/c or itb's I'd probably say they are on par with each other price wise. You seriously need to take everything into consideration and have to be dedicated to the build.
Ps. Videos, Pictures, graphs, will be upload in due course
I hope this review will be useful to somebody that is in the situation I was in before I made my decision, and will hopefully guide them into the right direction!
Thanks for reading
