brisa4984
ClioSport Club Member
yeah, have to agree, either your gf wasnt changing at 6-7krevs, or her car is toasted.
It's not your car, why are you worrying?
VVT kicks in at summat crazy low like 1.4k Rpm. It's not VTEC ffs.
Also the kick at 4.5-5k is something to do with the power curve of the engine, between max torque and max bhp the car pulls its best.
Cant believe there is such a discussion about this, there is virtually nothing in it between the 172/VTS/GTI, the 172 would certainly not toast the vts/gti , no way, maybe slightly slightly better once you got up to higher speeds but there is such little difference in them.
The only area the 172 wins hands down is torque, but on a straight thrash, there would be nothing in it.
Ive owned a cup, a mk1 172, a standard VTS and a lightly modded VTS, if anything the modded VTS was the quickest out of the lot
I think because the saxo has such a bad image, people dont actually give it credit for how good it actually is performance/handling wise (everything else, build quiality/safety etc is not good lol)
Can we just get one thing straight! My GF was not driving the car I nicked it and she doesn't even know this went on!
Tbh, I've had a play with other 172s in my VTS and they have certainly pulled a few cars lengths, but hers just won't it will pull 1 car length maximum from 30-100.
My saxo has 130bhp/tonne, and ph2 172s are meant to be around the 160bhp/tonne, so there's something wrong somewhere!
I think I might have to purchase an ITG filter and change the oil and fuel filter and just hope for the best tbh. Oh well!
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Please read this thread properly from start to finish before making suggestions! thank you!
Standard figures for a VTS 0-100 are 20.5secs, and for a 172 its about 18.5 iirc, so there should be some visible difference between the two, but there was literally nothing which struck me as very odd! I've had a play with a standard 182 and you could certainly see it was pulling on me in every gear.
those times are pretty close so sounds about right to me. if the clio was fooked then it wouldnt be ahead at all. a good service should sort it out (i've owned both and below 100 there'll be little in it)
Can we just get one thing straight! My GF was not driving the car I nicked it and she doesn't even know this went on!
Tbh, I've had a play with other 172s in my VTS and they have certainly pulled a few cars lengths, but hers just won't it will pull 1 car length maximum from 30-100.
My saxo has 130bhp/tonne, and ph2 172s are meant to be around the 160bhp/tonne, so there's something wrong somewhere!
I think I might have to purchase an ITG filter and change the oil and fuel filter and just hope for the best tbh. Oh well!
Dude. Listen to me. If you want get all anal about what a car should be putting out, the Ph2 Clio 172 weighs ~ 1110kg and is 172 PS. 172 PS is approx 170 BHP.
This gives it a pwr/weight ration of 156.6 BHP/Tonne. And that is if the 172 is kicking out full power, which to be honest, they very rarely do.
I personally think you're worrying about nothing.
as Andy (makavelli) said speak to Fred or Andrew at Yozzasport - Andrew showed me some pics of a 172 engine they had been working on and as Andy said it was in a right state and only giving out approx 130-140bhp - by the time they finished it was perfect and back up to good power.
All things being equal (all cars putting out claimed power etc) the 182 will be a bit quicker at higher speeds. But it really isn't much.
Where the major differences are is specification, build (yes there are things worse than Clios and Saxos are definitely one of them!!) and safety.
Performance wise, there's a gap, but it's not as big as you might think!
I'm not sure about this VVT business..I've have my car over 5k plenty of times and never noticed it.
I'm not sure about this VVT business..I've have my car over 5k plenty of times and never noticed it.
I didn't think they had VVT
the problem they showed me had been there since the car was built! a few of the valves were stuck or something - cant quite remember sorryQuote:
Originally Posted by timsclio172
as Andy (makavelli) said speak to Fred or Andrew at Yozzasport - Andrew showed me some pics of a 172 engine they had been working on and as Andy said it was in a right state and only giving out approx 130-140bhp - by the time they finished it was perfect and back up to good power.
that's quite encouraging, so it means that 170 is reachable, just needs effort to get it there! So what do you mean by "working on"? The engine bay is pretty clean so its been taken care of by the looks, and it has 44k on so I wouldn't have thought many bits need replacing?
is your 172 one of the ones with ESP or an earlier one without.I get a noticable kick at about 5.5-6k revs
Sounds like mine's fooked as well
Oh well...nevermind
and I have owned a 106Gti and a 182 and the 182 will easily do a gti or vts, sorry but it will, i had a go with a mk1 172 when i had the 106 and it was easily faster at all speeds, the 106 will feel faster than it is because its more raw.
The book time on the 106gti was something ridiculous like 8.3 seconds to 60 but we all know it was quicker than that but it wasn't 6.3 seconds quick like the 182.
Fast cars yes but not in the same league as a 182, i've done many of them in the 182, never had an ounce of trouble, guess none of them were modded, but then that would be cheating against a standard 182 anyway.
and I have owned a 106Gti and a 182 and the 182 will easily do a gti or vts, sorry but it will, i had a go with a mk1 172 when i had the 106 and it was easily faster at all speeds, the 106 will feel faster than it is because its more raw.
The book time on the 106gti was something ridiculous like 8.3 seconds to 60 but we all know it was quicker than that but it wasn't 6.3 seconds quick like the 182.
Fast cars yes but not in the same league as a 182, i've done many of them in the 182, never had an ounce of trouble, guess none of them were modded, but then that would be cheating against a standard 182 anyway.
i agree with this completely. I've had a play with 2 182s in my VTS and the difference was very visible.
Like has been said though, on twisty b-roads there would be nowt in it
timsclio172 - how did they find out about the sticking valves? did it cost much to fix? i've heard about this before so i think this might be the problem, do you think my local garage could sort it? they're very good mechanics but I don't know if its a renault jobbie!
we both use BP Ultimate so I don't think thats it!