New car paint protection

[Pep]

I understand you're into it more than me dude, I'm past that due to not really having the time.
And you're not coming across as a c**t.

I'll happily put on his car whatever he wants, if he wants to spend £100 on stuff then fair play to him, as I said I just mentioned those products as they're what I've got left over from my detailing days.

Lets part as friends into the sunset!

 

[Gally]

Or to my bedroom?

 

[richy22]

Everyone has different/favourite products to use/recommend.

Thats the problem with the market though...Theres sooooo much to choose from. Some of it is s**t. Some is okay and some is awesome.

Personally there is nowt wrong with the carlack kit Jamie linked up from clean your car for the winter months. My "new" car is getting similar treatment but fcuked if im going to pc it in this weather...it'l be ruined by January IMO.

See theres another opinion right there!

 

[JD]

ignore

/BwaB

 

[JD]

I'm going to ask Tom or Dan if we can have a ban hammer everytime people talk about detailing, when meaning they wash their car.

A detail on a car, or a car part, or area, is the full works. Simple. It is costly for a reason - it takes the car back to factory condition, in fact better than factory condition.

If you have bought a new car, come into the detailing section and ask for help, as Sargara has quite rightly done, people will tell you what to use and what to do/how to apply yada yada.

Sargara - the simple fact is EGP is a perfectly good product. As is SRP. As is Megs Goldclass Shampoo. The simple fact is they are products for the masses that a lot of pros still use. They are targeted at you - you being the person that doesn't take his car to a car wash, but doesn't spend £500 a month on detailing products. There is nothing wrong with this in the slightest. But people (Galster, Richy, myself) will suggest other products. But these cost more, because they are better (whether it be how long a wax lasts, how good it looks, how well it polishes, removes grime, how easy it is to apply/remove etc etc etc).

Martijn - the above reaction was silly of me - apologies. But that is washing your car (well I might add "thumbsup"). Not detailing. And on that note, does not require a detailer.

JP - son, I know you're a good lad from the chats we've had over the months/years about detailing. Can I suggest that you and Sargara have a chat, see what he wants to spend, where he wants to shop (Halfords for ease, or I4D for more specialised products) and take it from there.

***disclaimer*** all above said in a normal tone, not argumentative, not derogatory etc

/BwaB

 

[JD]

Oh and I'm going to start signing "Billy with a Buffer" because it amuses me.

/BwaB

 

[Sargara]

I honestly had no idea this topic would go this way.

I was expecting there to be a tried and tested combination of products that everyone used as they were claimed "best" and followed by the masses, much like Turini's to quote an old favorite lol. I appreciate the responses none the less, but i'll stick with JPs judgement as im unsure

 

[JD]

I would do that buddy. And lol at the turini comment. To give you an idea, Gally's version is "FK1000p"

x

 

[EllD90]

Spend a bit more on the products next year, when the weather is better. The paintwork won't get ruined between now and then! It is just a car, not an ornament! I'm sure JP will put enough protection on.

I would reccommend investing in Duragloss 901 shampoo, I found it much better than Megs gold class. Buy the £30 bottle of shampoo, will last you forever. Also spend some money on decent washing products in the meantime: e.g. wash mitts, 2 buckets, drying towels, microfibres & quick detailer.

 

[Gally]

I would do that buddy. And lol at the turini comment. To give you an idea, Gally's version is "FK1000p"

x

Yes it's going to be my standard answer.

DW link then a picture of fk1000p.


Fuse blow/

JWaB/

 

[JD]

JwaB?

 

[Gally]

Johnny with a buffer.

I wanted to play to.

 

[JD]

Lol, JwaB it is.

 

[Martijn16vt]

@JD-> I haven't read your post before you made an edit to it. I do know that what i was saying is not what you and i probably would qualify 'detailing'. It was more ment as a good start for unexperienced people that would normally wash with a sponge and turtle wax. Also this start is probably enough to satisfy 80% of the market, as not everybody tends to spend 2-3 hours a weekend to keep their car tidy. A lot of people for example don't see (or bother to see) the difference between Dodo Juice Rainforest Rub and Dodo Juice Supernatural.

But, ofc. an equipment set of 100 pounds can not be compared to a full 20 hours detail.

 

[Curley]

This may be too late for Sagaras case but just a quick tip... EGP needs something to bond to so I would advise a coat or 2 of SRP before hand.

 

[JD]

a coat or 2 of SRP before hand.

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[Gally]

 

[JD]

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[richy22]

 

[Gally]

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I miss that picture!

 

[Curley]

Explination of all the face palm pictures needed......


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Right, just re read the thread. Still an explanation needed for the above pictures. Talk about half arsed etc etc but the EGP won't bond without SRP. I personally wouldnt use it either but there is no point in using it at all without SRP.

Just advice that some of the so called detailers should of already knew and advised if JP was going ahead with the EGP.

 

[RussZS]

WTF has happened in this thread?

SRP is fine for new paint.

All you need to worry about is protecting your paint AND wheels from road salt over Winter.

Ideally you need to prep the paint for Wax, then apply a durable Wax. FK1000P is okay, but it's not the easiest to use, and personally I don't like the look it gives, so I recommend some Collinite 845.

In fact, this kit:

http://www.cleanyourcar.co.uk/complete-detailing-kits/collinite-476s-carlack-kit/prod_408.html

will sort you out, and ask them to swap the wax for 845:

http://www.cleanyourcar.co.uk/wax/collinite-no-845-insulator-wax/prod_208.html

which they will do

Read this too:

http://www.polishedbliss.co.uk/blog/2010/10/is-your-car-ready-for-winter/

If you want a hand, then let me know. I'll come and do it all for you for £50 or so.

Russ.

 

[Curley]

He's had it done now Russ. I just wanted to give the other people that will read this thread in the future a heads up.

 

[RussZS]

Oh fair enough, I gave up after Page 1!

 

[Curley]

Oh fair enough, I gave up after Page 1!

LOL, I just saw JP was planning on using EGP without a base layer of anything so suggested some SRP and I got slated.

Read the thread again and noticed that SRP isn't actually good enough for a Clio

 

[RussZS]

Well EGP won't last long on top of anything else other than SRP, or an IPA wipedown

What's wrong with SRP???

 

[Curley]

Well EGP won't last long on top of anything else other than SRP, or an IPA wipedown

What's wrong with SRP???

Exactly. See bottom of page 3.

 

[Gally]

I only have 2 pages but I think we gave JP advice on what to use and he was happy using srp and egp.

I think you'll find for a protection detail we pointed him in the direction of a Pro as he didn't actually know what products he wanted.

No wonder JD takes the hump, you try and help out and people question it anyway.

 

[JD]

Explination of all the face palm pictures needed......


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Right, just re read the thread. Still an explanation needed for the above pictures. Talk about half arsed etc etc but the EGP won't bond without SRP. I personally wouldnt use it either but there is no point in using it at all without SRP.

Just advice that some of the so called detailers should of already knew and advised if JP was going ahead with the EGP.

SRP is a filler polish. I.e. it has a mild cutting action the paint/surface and adds fillers into swirls. Adding "two layers" of SRP means you are polishing twice and adding fillers twice. Which doesn't happen. As by adding SRP again, you'll be polishing out the fillers from the last application and then adding them in again.

And some of the "so called detailers" are on hand to advise people on this forum. We have learnt from advice on other forums, from people like Russ/Jim etc and from previous advice on here. But when we give advice, it seems to fall on deaf ears from those "so called Billies with Buffers". So as Kev has mentioned, I give up and post funny pictures instead to lighten the mood.

 

[Curley]

It was obvious JP was going ahead with his routine. Why did no one inform him that EGP wouldnt last without SRP if everyone knew this?

Lol at calling me a Billy with a buffer.

Get a extremely swirled black car. I'll bet my left testicle, in fact both testicles that 2 layers of SRP hides more swirls than one.

Do a test and see if I am wrong.

 

[RussZS]

DaveKG's test showed that multiple layers had an obvious impact on swirls with SRP

It's on DW somewhere

 

[Curley]

J-D with an OW-D

I don't think I'll open this thread again.

 

[JD]

It was obvious JP was going ahead with his routine. Why did no one inform him that EGP wouldnt last without SRP if everyone knew this?

Lol at calling me a Billy with a buffer.

Get a extremely swirled black car. I'll bet my left testicle, in fact both testicles that 2 layers of SRP hides more swirls than one.

Do a test and see if I am wrong.

Probably because we all presumed that someone who is being paid to work on a car knows what they are doing, even if they haven't listed it. I.e. that he would either wipe down with IPA or apply a product that would allow the EGP to bond properly. One presumes I fill my buckets with water, rather than gravy, but I don't put that in the posts...

Re the SRP, I have tried that idea, with a black car. And a red car. Two colours renowned for showing every little mark. Neither benefited from doubling up on a filler glaze or polish, both via machine and hand... I also tested it recently on my car (red) with Red Moose Glaze and found the results to be identical, regardless of how many times the product was applied.

Re the BwaB comment, that was not aimed at you. More at the individuals that post on here with very little knowledge of the subject, but then get arsey when others try to help.

DaveKG's test showed that multiple layers had an obvious impact on swirls with SRP

It's on DW somewhere

I'll have a search for that Russ.

 

[JD]

J-D with an OW-D

I don't think I'll open this thread again.

An OW-D being?

 

[Gally]

I've no idea maybe he's trying to be funny.

 

[JD]

I've PM'd him to ask. Maybe he will open this thread up again! Fingers crossed!

 

[Curley]

 

[JD]

Lol you n0b, gets it now!

 

[RussZS]

Haha!!

So... is EGP any good?

 

[Gally]

As much use as JD with a buffer!