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Konis will be coilovers i think youll find.
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Greeny.
ClioSport Club Member
440i + 182
Tbh the ktec/vmaxx/weitec coilovers all dont have dampening adjustment and arnt that stiff on the road tbh. Can only assume they are stiffer the lower they go, much like KW's do.
ForceIndia
ClioSport Club Member
Gentlemans spec 200
There's a group buy being set up for the koni's. My money would go there. Nonsense that coilovers don't work on the road. If you drop it lower than a snail's c**t, of course there will be issues.
ForceIndia
ClioSport Club Member
Gentlemans spec 200
Too stiff would give you less bumpsteer iirc. You only suffer with bumpsteer issues if you go too low.
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Mcpherson 'coil over the damper', is the suspension the clio uses.
I.e. the coil (spring) goes over the damper.
So the standard set up is a coil over. The konis are coil overs. Any suspension where the spring fits over the damper is a coil over.
This is not an opinion but an engineering fact. Why did you think it was called a coilover? Never thought about it hey?
ForceIndia
ClioSport Club Member
Gentlemans spec 200
Technically you're right, but nowadays when most people say coilovers they mean height adjustable kits.
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Well i cant be helped for others ignorance.
The konis are a coil over, i was correct. I think it would save a lot of confusion if people made it clear they meant adjustable coilovers versus non adjustable coilovers.
There are far too many topics in here were the question doesnt even make sense because of this confusion.
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Although I agree with what your saying from a technical point of view. You can't expect people to change what they call fully adjustable suspension.
Even my girlfriends 50 year old dad calls them coilovers becausr thats what everyone else calls them!
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Back on topic, id say if you want to replace the standard supension for aftermarket coilovers with or without ride height adjustable platforms, make sure you get a decent make.
I like bilstein dampers because they have inverted tubes and the spring is offset like the original set up. The springs are offset because this add strength to the set up based on the angle the unit sits at. Inverting the damper adds more strength and also protects the seals and the weakest part of the unit in the strut. But the cheaper units are non adjustable.
Adjustable after market platform coilovers like leda and gaz and other cheap makes do neither inversion or offset and are not that strong. IMO they are not really good brands and are good for lowering your car for looks, but are not designed well for motorsport. Unless you can afford reiger or ohlins (or other top brands like fully adjustable bilstein) you'd be better with the standard oe coilovers or a motorsport based replacement damper unit like the bilstein ones.
I cant find a picture to see if the konis have inverted tubes. Maybe someone else knows?
I like bilstein dampers because they have inverted tubes and the spring is offset like the original set up. The springs are offset because this add strength to the set up based on the angle the unit sits at. Inverting the damper adds more strength and also protects the seals and the weakest part of the unit in the strut. But the cheaper units are non adjustable.
Adjustable after market platform coilovers like leda and gaz and other cheap makes do neither inversion or offset and are not that strong. IMO they are not really good brands and are good for lowering your car for looks, but are not designed well for motorsport. Unless you can afford reiger or ohlins (or other top brands like fully adjustable bilstein) you'd be better with the standard oe coilovers or a motorsport based replacement damper unit like the bilstein ones.
I cant find a picture to see if the konis have inverted tubes. Maybe someone else knows?
Pep
ClioSport Club Member
M2,XJS,S1000RR
For my 182, I went:
Standard cup suspension
Sportlines
H&R's
AST's
Sportlines
For the road, in my opinion, there is nothing better than the Sportlines (Prolines will be nigh on identical just with no lowering pretty much). Both sets of coilovers, even the adjustable AST's were simply no good on my local back roads. The car was set low, but not as low as possible, and they were both set up correctly.
Brad, regarding your reply above this (unless someone else posts!) I see your point, but surely those differences will not be seem all too often? I mean the standard dampers, just on the subject of clio's, are not exactly reliable, I fail to see how an adjustable aftermarket coilover system (
) will be any less reliable, if at all??
Standard cup suspension
Sportlines
H&R's
AST's
Sportlines
For the road, in my opinion, there is nothing better than the Sportlines (Prolines will be nigh on identical just with no lowering pretty much). Both sets of coilovers, even the adjustable AST's were simply no good on my local back roads. The car was set low, but not as low as possible, and they were both set up correctly.
Brad, regarding your reply above this (unless someone else posts!) I see your point, but surely those differences will not be seem all too often? I mean the standard dampers, just on the subject of clio's, are not exactly reliable, I fail to see how an adjustable aftermarket coilover system (
) will be any less reliable, if at all??
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For my 182, I went:
Brad, regarding your reply above this (unless someone else posts!) I see your point, but surely those differences will not be seem all too often? I mean the standard dampers, just on the subject of clio's, are not exactly reliable, I fail to see how an adjustable aftermarket coilover system (
That depends how you drive it. How long would cheap suspension last doing this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zz9kEkPIl80&feature=channel_page
Pep
ClioSport Club Member
M2,XJS,S1000RR
yes, but that is a link to a rally car video....?
I'm talking more like what people on here would use the cars for, on the whole it would be a handful of trackdays per year max, and 'x' thousand miles on the road; just wondering whether the differences you mentioned would actually have any effect on any of these conditions, and fair before the standard shock/bilsteins etc?
(Not trying to argue or anything etc, you just seem to know your stuff and I'm interested)
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And my point was that more expensive suspension is better designed and stronger. I see no point buying cheap after market suspension as generally its poor quality and no better than standard oe stuff.
Generally people will always defend their purachase, but in reality standard oe stuff is a far better option than cheaper adjustable stuff.
Generally people will always defend their purachase, but in reality standard oe stuff is a far better option than cheaper adjustable stuff.
ForceIndia
ClioSport Club Member
Gentlemans spec 200
Finally, someone see's the light. The AST's don't work, far too stiff for a light car.
DrRollo, you're not too far from me, more than welcome to try my kw's. There's a set for sale on here for £650.
ForceIndia
ClioSport Club Member
Gentlemans spec 200
Koni's would be a better option IMO. The adjustable damping allows you to play with the handling balance, and firm things up for any track work.
ForceIndia
ClioSport Club Member
Gentlemans spec 200
Oh, and pro's are better than sportline's IMO. You get a slightly crashy ride with the sportline's, but not with pro's.
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