[Oct 21, 2017] Cliosport Surrey Rolling Road Day (Farnborough)

[mr bognor]

A few pics of the car on the rollers .



WP_20171021_10_57_13_Pro[1] by Alan Kaveney, on Flickr



WP_20171021_10_58_53_Pro[1] by Alan Kaveney, on Flickr



And the print outs .


269 BHP


269 LB/FT


A little bit down on the claim of 306 BHP and 285 LB/FT but the car feels very quick ( as it would with 270 BHP ) on the road and the AFR are looking good .



WP_20171022_12_09_29_Pro[1] by Alan Kaveney, on Flickr



WP_20171022_12_09_48_Pro[1] by Alan Kaveney, on Flickr

 

[Sir_Dave]

45bhp is quite a lot lower than the claim though, especially considering its a new turbo!
Any thought so far on what the issue might be?

 

[mr bognor]

I have herd / read that switching maps can be a problem as the car did have there CP2 stage 2 map on the car and then has the CP4 map on the car now running the hybrid turbo so this is something I will look in to as with this turbo set up and running an Evolutions chip map cars are making 310 BHP and 320 LB/FT .

Car runs great as it is and they are only numbers at the end of the day but I will look in to this .

Alan

45bhp is quite a lot lower than the claim though, especially considering its a new turbo!
Any thought so far on what the issue might be?

 

[_Tom]

Is fletchers M2 standard? That's some serious torque over what BMW claim.

 

[Fletcher]

Is fletchers M2 standard? That's some serious torque over what BMW claim.

It’s totally standard mate on 3,500 miles... It’s making 47 ft/lb over book figures!

 

[_Tom]

It’s totally standard mate on 3,500 miles... It’s making 47 ft/lb over book figures!

Winner! That's impressive.

 

[mr bognor]

I still think you should still have given me the keys just so I could test it for you

It’s totally standard mate on 3,500 miles... It’s making 47 ft/lb over book figures!

 

[Fletcher]

I still think you should still have given me the keys just so I could test it for you :smile:

Yes mate :wink:

 

[TimR26]

Is fletchers M2 standard? That's some serious torque over what BMW claim.

I reckon he's mapped it like the Fabia vRS he claims is standard.

 

[Fletcher]

I reckon he's mapped it like the Fabia vRS he claims is standard.

Lol. 😂

 

[RIC172]

Are there any plans for another rolling road day in the next few months?

 

[hsustyle]

Also interested in the above ☝️ want to see if these ph1s really are better

 

[TimR26]

Are there any plans for another rolling road day in the next few months?

Also interested in the above ☝️ want to see if these ph1s really are better

The next one I organise will be February or March.

 

[chris blue]

Also interested in the above ☝️ want to see if these ph1s really are better

My (standard engine other than induction) Phase 1 made 165BHP last time i went to Surrey Rolling Road, only Phase 1 there from what i recall. Could do with a Torque measure, and as it runs so well, weighing up whether to RS Tuner it or not.

 

[Fletcher]

My (standard engine other than induction) Phase 1 made 165BHP last time i went to Surrey Rolling Road, only Phase 1 there from what i recall. Could do with a Torque measure, and as it runs so well, weighing up whether to RS Tuner it or not.

RS tuner is worth the money, better cold starts, increased rev limit and a good diagnostics tool. Pound for pound my best mod to date.

 

[chris blue]

RS tuner is worth the money, better cold starts, increased rev limit and a good diagnostics tool. Pound for pound my best mod to date.

And I do fancy getting one- its the plan. But my cold starts are fab (Its the warm starts it needs couple seconds) and the torque and revs seem really good too. When I see some Ph1 owners are getting round 150bhp, it makes me wonder if the engine has already been tuned or bits that I cant see have been done

 

[Fletcher]

And I do fancy getting one- its the plan. But my cold starts are fab (Its the warm starts it needs couple seconds) and the torque and revs seem really good too. When I see some Ph1 owners are getting round 150bhp, it makes me wonder if the engine has already been tuned or bits that I cant see have been done

It also drives a lot better when cold with an RS tuner map, very noticeably difference.

165bhp is ok, not great though! my standard 172 with RS tuner made 175bhp last time at SRR.

 

[chris blue]

It also drives a lot better when cold with an RS tuner map, very noticeably difference.

165bhp is ok, not great though! my standard 172 with RS tuner made 175bhp last time at SRR.

Persuaded- next mod early next year now back on track
Thinking buying new off Henk

 

[RIC172]

RS tuner is worth the money, better cold starts, increased rev limit and a good diagnostics tool. Pound for pound my best mod to date.

What do they rev to with the rs tuner map? I understand the rev limit is 7,250 as standard (once the car is up to temperature) and 6,750 otherwise.

 

[Fletcher]

What do they rev to with the rs tuner map? I understand the rev limit is 7,250 as standard (once the car is up to temperature) and 6,750 otherwise.

7,500- 7,600rpm iirc.

 

[RIC172]

7,500- 7,600rpm iirc.

Wowza, that's a lot higher revs than I was expecting. As well as the cold starts it does sound like the RS Tuner map makes some good improvements.

 

[RIC172]

Were there many people using this map on their 172s/182s at the last rolling road day as the figures looked quite good for most people

 

[loggyboy]

My white has a RS tuner map. Ran 184.7 (with Ramair filter, longlife sport cat and janspeed cat back exhaust.)
My previous Arctic, (with standard filter, OE cat, janspeed exhaust) ran 181bhp a couple of years back at SRR.
IMO its not about the output, i suspect difference is a 1-2bhp tops, but it definitely feels like a more even delivery of power, although i'm not a fan of the cold start revving or raised rev limit/redline.

 

[Fletcher]

Wowza, that's a lot higher revs than I was expecting. As well as the cold starts it does sound like the RS Tuner map makes some good improvements.

Yes quite a bit higher. I still tend to change gear at around the 7,200-7300 mark, but the extra RPMs are handy for some corners on track

 

[loggyboy]

Yes quite a bit higher. I still tend to change gear at around the 7,200-7300 mark, but the extra RPMs are handy for some corners on track

Wouldnt want to use them regularly without ARPs tho.

 

[Fletcher]

Wouldnt want to use them regularly without ARPs tho.

I agree. I’ve got some 197 cams and ARPs in my garage waiting to be fitted soon, along with a remap at EFI.

 

[loggyboy]

I have ARPs waiting also, sadly its too late as a 3rd to 2nd rather than 3rd to 4th change at brands last week sent my engine to the racetrack int the sky.

 

[Fletcher]

I have ARPs waiting also, sadly its too late as a 3rd to 2nd rather than 3rd to 4th change at brands last week sent my engine to the racetrack int the sky.

Ouch!

 

[barnesautos]

The next one I organise will be February or March.

That’s great timing , hopefully will have the RS2 off and the ITB’s on . So the results from this one can compare to my last one .

 

[Speedy300]

I agree. I’ve got some 197 cams and ARPs in my garage waiting to be fitted soon, along with a remap at EFI.

Mmmm my car spends a lot of time in the high revs. Is it worth getting ARPs fitted at the same time as the cambelt?

 

[Fletcher]

Mmmm my car spends a lot of time in the high revs. Is it worth getting ARPs fitted at the same time as the cambelt?

IMO yes mate.

 

[barnesautos]

Mmmm my car spends a lot of time in the high revs. Is it worth getting ARPs fitted at the same time as the cambelt?

Deffo , protection is a good option [emoji16]

 

[Christopher.]

ARP's are a great little upgrade. If my sump ever has to come off on this engine a set are going in.

 

[Flange]

anyone up for another one of these ?

 

[andy_coops]

anyone up for another one of these ?

Definitely - and I know @iyrix is too

 

[barnesautos]

I’ll be up for it again as I have my bodies on now and need a good roasting

 

[hsustyle]

Yup I Want to give my Ph1 a run

 

[RIC172]

I’ll come along once I get another engine lol. My last one blew up a couple of days ago but made 179 at Surrey Rolling Road previously so I’m hoping for more with a healthier engine

 

[Hyperhatch]

Yes i’d Be up for it.

 

[TimR26]

What sort of dates would be good? Might be best to wait until it’s cooler.