oh blinkin' flip!!!!!

[bloke]

decided to tart up under the bonnet while i was doing cam belt on my car, looked at the belt that was already fitted and looked reasonably new but thought might as well change it anyway as the cam cover was coming off to get coated and i wanted to check what cams are in as it's a bit too grunty to be totally standard.

anyway all went well, back together last night, pulled it out of the garage and went for a quick spin and lo and behold lost low down grunt!!

bit of head scratching for five minutes to make sure i hadn't done anything daft and then it dawned on me, locked the crank and cam pulleys up before i stripped it down and at the time i remembered pulling the plugs from the end of the head, looking at the end of the cams and even thinking to myself..."hmmm, they are a bit out of line" D'OH!!!!

dozy git of the week award to me:banghead:

 

[Chi]

Heart in mouth moment I bet

 

[Bobby.]

oh dear, best tell the misses your be out in the garage all afternoon tomorrow then.

 

[bloke]

not the end of the world, just drives like a standard one now, low down isn't bad really it's just not as gutsy as it used to be mid range and up. the only thing is i would love to know exactly what the cams were timed to so i could get them timed as they were.

time for a diy advanced timing tool...goes off to look for some bits of old angle iron!!

 

[Chi]

All this is going right over my head. .

 

[bloke]

inlet cam was set advanced before i stripped it down but forgot to check by how much. it's now set up with standard cam timing.

 

[Adam G]

Just heat up the horseshoe and then stand on it a bit, be reet.

 

[bloke]

but that would involve buying two new cam end caps, sod that!! lock crank, slacken cam pulley bolt and then stand there for twenty minutes trying to work out how to measure how much i turn the cam by...

as they say...

 

[Chi]

inlet cam was set advanced before i stripped it down but forgot to check by how much. it's now set up with standard cam timing.

OIC

 

[Paprika123]

Slackening the pulley without locking the other end will just spin the cam well out.

Bad idea.

 

[bloke]

OIC

sorry, i could of been a bit clearer.

Slackening the pulley without locking the other end will just spin the cam well out.

Bad idea.

will be locking the cam first, give me an excuse to make something to lock it with that can then be used to measure any changes, spend ages making it, spend loads on it and then discover someone already makes something for doing it!!

 

[Bobby.]

might of been group N timing then?

 

[bloke]

yeah, just kicking myself for not checking it before i got stuck in

 

[Bobby.]

Is their anywhere you could buy/borrow a group N timing horse shoe from?

 

[bloke]

not that i know of, but it wouldn't take long to knock one up, few mates near me with cnc/milling machines and i'm not in a panic to get it re set.

 

[Bobby.]

might be worth a search to see if you can find the angles. I've not seen it come up before though.

 

[bloke]

think there is a thread on here with both horse shoes on and someone even worked out the angles on them?

 

[Chi]

What does the tool your after look like?

 

[Chi]

sorry, i could of been a bit clearer.

You probably couldn't I'm just #clueless

 

[VikkiB]

You'll probably find if was actually someone who had done the belt incorrectly and the cams were out just by error. Vikki's new one she had was that far out I used a group N tool to lock it all up. IMO felt flat as f**k before hand.

 

[Chi]

You are Vicki

 

[Dan@SJM]

FML. I thought it was odd that I didn't have any PM's lol.

 

[Chi]

Haha

 

[SkidMarx]

Someone needs to knock up some group N locking tools

 

[MonkeyKnifeFight]

Noos was selling them

http://www.cliosport.net/forum/showthread.php?597835-Semi-GR-N-camshaft-locking-tool

 

[Bobby.]

Interesting thread that ^ just a shame it wasn't really tested properly.

 

[Chi]

Yes where did the op goto? looks a simple enough thing to knock up but what do I know

 

[jon_r]

The group N angles have been posted before, you'll have to do a decent search though I guess.

Proper group N retards the exhaust cam slightly as well, I think it's 4 degrees. Inlet is about 7, but don't quote me on that, I'm not 100% sure.

This assumes you've got standard cams as well.

 

[Chi]

I'd like it on the track car but not a daily..

 

[bloke]

Yes where did the op goto? looks a simple enough thing to knock up but what do I know

been tidying the living room, yeah i know how to live it up!!

that was the thread i was thinking of, will look at getting something made up over the next couple of weeks. got an idea for something to fit into both cam openings with a hole in the centre for a lever to fit in and key into the end of the cam so you can dial each cam to whatever you want it set to. just need to work out how big the outer would need to be so it could be marked in single degree increments that could be seen easily.

hope that makes sense, if it doesn't i know what i mean anyway.

 

[Chi]

nope.. but you can practice on my car if you like

 

[bloke]

you wouldn't say that if you knew me

 

[Chi]

Haha fare enough where are you based on the Wirral

 

[bloke]

got a unit on kelvin road just by the four bridges.

 

[Chi]

That's handy lol.. what do you do?

 

[bloke]

look busy

do a bit of blasting and polishing, some carb rebuilds and look after a few cars and bikes for people i know. try not to be too busy though so i can play with my own stuff but got far to many projects on the go at the moment!!

 

[Chi]

You are living the life mate. ..

 

[bloke]

not quite

 

[Chi]

Not too busy and time to do what you enjoy! sounds good to me

 

[bloke]

far to busy at the moment though and not enough money was meant to be out doing 200 miles round wales today on the bike but was bloody skint:banghead: