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PS3 Sales plummet
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a burnt one
In truth its not all about sales figures, really, thats like comparing the total sales of a rolls royce released yesterday and a fiesta released 2 years ago.
The ps3 is a bit more expensive and even comparing at christmas wont favour the ps3 as unless the price has dropped significantly it's unlikely many parents will be shelling out that much to fill their kiddies stockings with.
Games is where the competition is and sony may have lost some exclusive titles but that only deters the people who buy a console based on what kind of games they like, im quietly confident that 3 or 4 years down the line, when game developers have sussed how to get the best out of the ps3's massive potential the ps3 will have far more games of note than any other console, the wii is just a gimmick and why anybody would want one is beyond me.
The ps3 is a bit more expensive and even comparing at christmas wont favour the ps3 as unless the price has dropped significantly it's unlikely many parents will be shelling out that much to fill their kiddies stockings with.
Games is where the competition is and sony may have lost some exclusive titles but that only deters the people who buy a console based on what kind of games they like, im quietly confident that 3 or 4 years down the line, when game developers have sussed how to get the best out of the ps3's massive potential the ps3 will have far more games of note than any other console, the wii is just a gimmick and why anybody would want one is beyond me.
I was in HMV yesterday and they have these A4 sheets telling customers why they should part with £425 to have one. Read as if it was made up by someone within the store itself but smelt of desperation and the general feel that people didn't want to pay that much for a console. Some of the deals made me laugh..."PS3 plus 3 games for BARGAIN £579!!!!
The thing is gary it takes that long just to make a game nowadays.
If you are a developer looking to produce a game (starting now for release in a few years time) and you see that console x has sold 10 million more than console y and furthermore it is continuing to outsell console y then where are you going hedge your bets given that you have to recoup the high development cost of modern games? Also bearing in mind that console x is far easier to exploit than console y I would suggest that they will design the game for console x and release a conversion on console y.
Same thing hindered the Xbox 1. PS2 had the most sales so all the games were designed to run on it whilst the Xbox just had poor conversions that did nothing to exploit the extra power. In this case it will be even harder for Sony because so far with lacklustre graphics and very dodgy frame rates (I have seen mega jerkyness in Motorstorm and F1) there is plenty of grounds to doubt that it has any extra potential or can even match the 360.
So whilst pretty much both consoles will have exactly the same games the best case scenario for PS3 owners is that they get unmolested conversions and the worse case is that they will be as they are now - slightly less polished with inconsistant frame rates.
If you are a developer looking to produce a game (starting now for release in a few years time) and you see that console x has sold 10 million more than console y and furthermore it is continuing to outsell console y then where are you going hedge your bets given that you have to recoup the high development cost of modern games? Also bearing in mind that console x is far easier to exploit than console y I would suggest that they will design the game for console x and release a conversion on console y.
Same thing hindered the Xbox 1. PS2 had the most sales so all the games were designed to run on it whilst the Xbox just had poor conversions that did nothing to exploit the extra power. In this case it will be even harder for Sony because so far with lacklustre graphics and very dodgy frame rates (I have seen mega jerkyness in Motorstorm and F1) there is plenty of grounds to doubt that it has any extra potential or can even match the 360.
So whilst pretty much both consoles will have exactly the same games the best case scenario for PS3 owners is that they get unmolested conversions and the worse case is that they will be as they are now - slightly less polished with inconsistant frame rates.
a burnt one
But that still remains to be seen, the fact is on paper the ps3 is the more powerful system and i think developers will try to exploit that before giving in and making a game for another system then handing it down to the ps3 regardless of current sales figures.
And if it is to be the case where it is designed for something else then made secondarily(sp) for the ps3 then it doesnt change the fact the ps3 is still the more powerful option at present and therefore, should there be any difference between the original format and ps3 version it is likely to be minimal, if anything.
And if it is to be the case where it is designed for something else then made secondarily(sp) for the ps3 then it doesnt change the fact the ps3 is still the more powerful option at present and therefore, should there be any difference between the original format and ps3 version it is likely to be minimal, if anything.
its not more powerfull at all it has less available memory for a start
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Who says the PS3 is more powerful on paper? Only the Sony marketing BS about being twice as powerful by looking at a very narrow part of the performance.
The heater fans in my brothers Aygo blow twice as strong as the ones on my Clio so does that mean the Aygo is twice as powerful?
There is plenty of detailed technical info on the web that will tell you about the systems power as a whole and when used for real world applications as opposed to the power of one individual processor for running a certain limited type of process.
The heater fans in my brothers Aygo blow twice as strong as the ones on my Clio so does that mean the Aygo is twice as powerful?
There is plenty of detailed technical info on the web that will tell you about the systems power as a whole and when used for real world applications as opposed to the power of one individual processor for running a certain limited type of process.
Punto/Clio GTT
man you lot talk some s**t LOL
a burnt one
Some facts and figures then.
Measures used calculate the number of 'floating point operations' that to you and me is the number of calculations it can do simultaneously, measured in teraflops, which is a number followed by 12 '0''s the xbox has 1 teraflop, the ps3 has 2.18, 100 times more powerful than the average pc.
cpu;
ps3 has cell microprocessor running 7 synergetic processing units @3.2ghz
xbox hasd ibm pc processor running 3 chips @3.2ghz
graphics
ps3 has NVIDIA and sony developed RSX chip at 550mhz
xbox has ATI designed chip at 500 mhz
both have 512mb memory
ps3 has 60gb hard drive
xbox has 20
disc format
ps3 50gb blu-ray
xbox 9gb dvd.
There you have it, its more powerful, we all know and knew beforehand the graphics were the same and weve all said there isnt much difference graphically.
But anyone who thinks the launch games are going to show the true potential is blinkered, many have said there is no difference which is a godd thing, most people accept the games will only get better, launch titles on any format are traditionally poor, but its a great sign of things to come if it can match the xbox on day 1 of launch.
for a start a little bit about memory
Xbox 360 reserves 32 MB for the system. The remaining 480 MB (94%) is completely available for games to use how they wish. The 32MB of system memory is used for the kernel, device drivers and the Xbox 360 Guide, which includes friends lists, voice/text messages, achievement lists, gamercards, Live Marketplace, 1-1 chat, virtual keyboard, and the music player. For CPU reservation, core 0 is completely available to the game, and the system reserves a small percentage (think single digits) of core 1 and 2.
For comparison, PS3 developers have to deal with a system that has memory split into two 256MB banks, one of which is reserved for graphics only. A large portion of both the memory banks are reserved for the system. On top of that, games that want to support other features, like friends lists or in-game commerce, take an additional memory hit. Arstechnica.com indicates that a total of 96MB is reserved for the system on PS3. Innerbits.com indicates that 9MB is required for friends lists (and 60MB for in-game commerce!). If those numbers are correct, a PS3 title using friends lists functionality has 512-96-9 = 407MB available, 73MB less than an Xbox 360 title using the same features.
Xbox 360 reserves 32 MB for the system. The remaining 480 MB (94%) is completely available for games to use how they wish. The 32MB of system memory is used for the kernel, device drivers and the Xbox 360 Guide, which includes friends lists, voice/text messages, achievement lists, gamercards, Live Marketplace, 1-1 chat, virtual keyboard, and the music player. For CPU reservation, core 0 is completely available to the game, and the system reserves a small percentage (think single digits) of core 1 and 2.
For comparison, PS3 developers have to deal with a system that has memory split into two 256MB banks, one of which is reserved for graphics only. A large portion of both the memory banks are reserved for the system. On top of that, games that want to support other features, like friends lists or in-game commerce, take an additional memory hit. Arstechnica.com indicates that a total of 96MB is reserved for the system on PS3. Innerbits.com indicates that 9MB is required for friends lists (and 60MB for in-game commerce!). If those numbers are correct, a PS3 title using friends lists functionality has 512-96-9 = 407MB available, 73MB less than an Xbox 360 title using the same features.
a burnt one
Which equates to nothing if you are playing a game without talking to someone.
oh and read all of this
http://dpad.gotfrag.com/portal/story/35372
http://dpad.gotfrag.com/portal/story/35372
no it does as it still reserves the memory even if your not using it and the os takes up alot more memory and cpu to start with
a burnt one
Aye, and everyones else is who contributes to Bill Gates making millions every second of the day, like a Bill Gates wet dream
And what exactly is a 'sun reader' type?
Darren S
ClioSport Club Member
If its 'b****cks' then why do you say that the Wii is outselling the PS3 in Japan then? I was backing you up saying that Japan as a sales market is an oddball - it doesn't fit into the worldwide traditional sales pattern.
D.
at the end of the day does it really matter anyway you will buy what you buy and if it crashes and burns and nothing good ever comes out for it then thats your problem but if great stuff does come out for it and tehy start working wonders then thats great more people will buy one then but 11 games wont make me buy one especially when they arnt that good. it took me over a year to get a 360 i dont make these desicions lightly but it will be the same as with my xbox i had a ps2 aswell and my ps1 i had a dremcast too super nes/mega drive etc etc
Of course the sales will plummet, there wont still be people queing a mile outside HMV to buy one like the release day.
I might be wrong but the figures are dropping because they are now reaching normal sales levels.
As far as developers are concerned it's true it is all about money, however there are always going to be developers with half baked licences (EA) creating multiformat productions and companies producing one format only software, regardless of how many units there are in the world, as they are often being backed by the manufacturer of the console who pay for marketing the game, which is what is going to sell their product at the end of the day. And so long as this happens there will be franchises which people will want to buy into whether that be Grand Tourismo or Halo, just like Sonic and Mario of years gone by people are going to have to buy that console to play it, and realise it or not any console (regardless of it's performance) is only as strong as it's support from single platform software franchises, you could have the most wizzbangyuptotheminute console sat under your TV but if you only have a copy of pong to play on it.....
I might be wrong but the figures are dropping because they are now reaching normal sales levels.
As far as developers are concerned it's true it is all about money, however there are always going to be developers with half baked licences (EA) creating multiformat productions and companies producing one format only software, regardless of how many units there are in the world, as they are often being backed by the manufacturer of the console who pay for marketing the game, which is what is going to sell their product at the end of the day. And so long as this happens there will be franchises which people will want to buy into whether that be Grand Tourismo or Halo, just like Sonic and Mario of years gone by people are going to have to buy that console to play it, and realise it or not any console (regardless of it's performance) is only as strong as it's support from single platform software franchises, you could have the most wizzbangyuptotheminute console sat under your TV but if you only have a copy of pong to play on it.....
yup and thats where ms are doing very very well buing up all the good software companies and getting the ones that were once loyal to sony to start cross developing
Well I cant see that happening to some developers, I worked for a games developer after leaving uni and they are sometimes signed up to a exclusivity contract and quite often they are loyal enough to stay on side. Dont forget Sony have forged some of these ties 10 years, before the xbox was a wet dream stain on bill gate's mattress, and have rewarded the deveoplers sucessful sales.
Personally I live for the day there is one console (i dont care if it as a sony or MS product) you can buy that plays all the games and saves me the hassle and espense of spending over 600 quid and having two consoles four or more controllers and more wires than the national grid sat in my other wise tidy living room.
Personally I live for the day there is one console (i dont care if it as a sony or MS product) you can buy that plays all the games and saves me the hassle and espense of spending over 600 quid and having two consoles four or more controllers and more wires than the national grid sat in my other wise tidy living room.
Punto/Clio GTT
dont worry your fine
but i got a great idea, lets start a thread about how something isnt selling aswell in the second week as the first week.
anyone wanna play a game of stating the f**king obvious? doh youve already started!
Wii stocks have finally started surfacing, pretty much sold out again though apparently, so some slightly more meaningful figures this week, at least as far as Wii/PS3 is concerned, although the 360 is going pretty darn nicely as well...
Week prior to Easter, UK sales:
Wii: 25,000
PS3: 17,000
360: 11,000
Week prior to Easter, UK sales:
Wii: 25,000
PS3: 17,000
360: 11,000
Unfortunately for Sony revenue doesn't mean a great deal, profits will be non-existent until they start shifting a serious amount of software.
Nintendo turn a mean profit on the Wii and DS consoles as well as the software (and not to mention the ridiculous number of Virtual Console games they are selling, despite IMO being very overpriced), I guess they need to make money on everything considering it's their only line of business.
indeed.
I love people like you buy into the marketing crap without knowing what the hell all those big numbers mean To put it simply. the 360 Graphics chip is massively superior to that of the PS3. CPU power is nearly identical in real world number crunching. Not sat in a lab getting artificial benchmarks ran on it to show the hardware at its optimum.
Don't have to believe those of us who have told you all you need to do is look at the link below.
Its rather in depth and has some simple maths to prove the points behind it. And goes into details about the cell cpu, Operating system memory use the way the systems process information etc. Basically both are very capable but in the right hands the 360 is actually a superior piece of technology. But either way the worthwhile games will likely make it to both platforms so it does not matter.
http://dpad.gotfrag.com/portal/story/35372/?spage=1
The only thing having sat and messed with a PS3 yesterday on a nice 1080P Sony panel...The AA on the thing is terrible or non exsistent it seems. Sooo many jaggies motorstorm had loads. Compared to my own 360 the jaggies which are still visible are no where near as bad.
I'll still buy a PS3 when prices drop but there not as good as people seem to think they are. Not a fanboy of any console either it took me ages to buy a 360 till some decent games were available and it had been out over a year will do the same with the PS3
Don't have to believe those of us who have told you all you need to do is look at the link below.
Its rather in depth and has some simple maths to prove the points behind it. And goes into details about the cell cpu, Operating system memory use the way the systems process information etc. Basically both are very capable but in the right hands the 360 is actually a superior piece of technology. But either way the worthwhile games will likely make it to both platforms so it does not matter.
http://dpad.gotfrag.com/portal/story/35372/?spage=1
The only thing having sat and messed with a PS3 yesterday on a nice 1080P Sony panel...The AA on the thing is terrible or non exsistent it seems. Sooo many jaggies motorstorm had loads. Compared to my own 360 the jaggies which are still visible are no where near as bad.
I'll still buy a PS3 when prices drop but there not as good as people seem to think they are. Not a fanboy of any console either it took me ages to buy a 360 till some decent games were available and it had been out over a year will do the same with the PS3
Octy VRS
I'd have thought the price may have something to do with that. Isn't it around 50-60K Yen as opposed to 16-17K for the Wii?
If its 'b****cks' then why do you say that the Wii is outselling the PS3 in Japan then? I was backing you up saying that Japan as a sales market is an oddball - it doesn't fit into the worldwide traditional sales pattern.
D.
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Mortal Kombat II with online play should be available on the UK online PS store soon, it's available from the US store now. It's funny how basic and dated this game looks now
SONY ONLINE ENTERTAINMENT ANNOUNCES MORTAL KOMBAT® II IS SCHEDULED TO HIT THE PLAYSTATION® NETWORK AS A DOWNLOADABLE TITLE ON APRIL 12
Get ready to re-live all of the classic arcade action that made Mortal Kombat® II a beloved classic. Brought back and available for download exclusively on the PLAYSTATION®3 computer entertainment system, re-experience the classic head-to-head fighting game featuring classic characters such as Sub-Zero or Goro. Players will fight their way through the Outworld and defeat Shang Tsung or battle hidden characters including Jade and Smoke!
ABOUT
MORTAL KOMBAT II:
Replay All The Favorite Characters or Unlock Hidden Ones – Choose to be 1 of 12 characters; freeze enemies as Sub-Zero or possess Raiden’s god-like thunder powers! Unlock hidden opponents with Mortal Kombat knowledge and skills.
Head-to-head Combat in 10 Unique Levels – Use an array of combos to crush enemies before they crush you! Take the fight to one of 10 unique levels. Uppercut enemies in The Dead Pool to a nice acid bath or knock enemies into a pitfall in The Pit!
Control Enemies’ Fate – Select which combo move to perform at the end of a match to determine one of three special endings (Fatality, Friendship or Babality)
Multiplayer Action – Play online against other players through the PLAYSTATION® Network. Track wins and see how players are stacking up against each other through dedicated leader boards.
Mortal Kombat® II is scheduled to launch on April 12, 2007, on the PLAYSTATION Network for the suggested retail price of $4.99
SONY ONLINE ENTERTAINMENT ANNOUNCES MORTAL KOMBAT® II IS SCHEDULED TO HIT THE PLAYSTATION® NETWORK AS A DOWNLOADABLE TITLE ON APRIL 12
Get ready to re-live all of the classic arcade action that made Mortal Kombat® II a beloved classic. Brought back and available for download exclusively on the PLAYSTATION®3 computer entertainment system, re-experience the classic head-to-head fighting game featuring classic characters such as Sub-Zero or Goro. Players will fight their way through the Outworld and defeat Shang Tsung or battle hidden characters including Jade and Smoke!
ABOUT
MORTAL KOMBAT II:
Replay All The Favorite Characters or Unlock Hidden Ones – Choose to be 1 of 12 characters; freeze enemies as Sub-Zero or possess Raiden’s god-like thunder powers! Unlock hidden opponents with Mortal Kombat knowledge and skills.
Head-to-head Combat in 10 Unique Levels – Use an array of combos to crush enemies before they crush you! Take the fight to one of 10 unique levels. Uppercut enemies in The Dead Pool to a nice acid bath or knock enemies into a pitfall in The Pit!
Control Enemies’ Fate – Select which combo move to perform at the end of a match to determine one of three special endings (Fatality, Friendship or Babality)
Multiplayer Action – Play online against other players through the PLAYSTATION® Network. Track wins and see how players are stacking up against each other through dedicated leader boards.
Mortal Kombat® II is scheduled to launch on April 12, 2007, on the PLAYSTATION Network for the suggested retail price of $4.99
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