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Brigsy

ClioSport Club Member
  Kangoo 172cup
@Mazz

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quick update, I finally managed to get off my ass and do something productive.

2 months on furlough have absolutely killed my productivity that was already close to zero..

But here we are:

Driver seat renovation:

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This is the seat out of the black car already out and half stripped.
The plan is to remove all fabric and foam and get the same components off the passenger side one off my old red car, still trying to make the most out of two half good cars to create one decent motor.


To be fair the seat on this new car wasn’t as bad as the old one, the foam felt ok but the fabric had let go on the seat base and was letting the rest of the car down, couldn’t have it.

I stripped down my old seats and washed the cushions and fabric from the passenger side one:

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Both upper and lower parts had a good scrub and rinsed for a few hours, then a good 3 days of drying in the sun.. I just hoped nothing got out of shape !
The bottom cushion had to be left attached to the fabric as the clips used are very difficult to remove without tearing into the foam, so I decided to chuck the lot in the bathtub and be done with it, luckily the weather was nice a couple of days ago so they could properly dry.

It is quite a challenge to remove both upper and lower part (the upper being the trickier), many clips are hidden and before you know it you can tear something apart ruining the final result. That’s why practicing with a wasted seat gave me the edge.

Here’s my old seats foam:

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Luveleh

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Working my way slowly trying to reattach all the clips the tension the fabric up, using cable ties instead of the stock metal fixings. Renault does use cable ties for some sections too so they must be good.


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New base on the right about to go on.

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Poked two holes for lumbar and back adjustment

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And voila, plastic covers back on and in the car.

It looks somewhat baggy on some areas, I hope both use and heat will improve things, if not I know now how to strip it down quick and make adjustments.

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Happy !

Downsides:

The airbag sign is now on the wrong side, facing inwards, but let’s face it only a guy like me would spot it.
Also there is a small hole where the back adjustment lever used to be on the other side.
I will cut a small round patch from all the leftover material and try to make a neat repair for it.

Other jobs?

Well I got busy with my cup spoiler, I bought it a couple of months ago from a guy on eBay called “dangretto”, hopefully not on this forum, that assured me it was a working unit.

Well it isn’t and here’s why:

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3 burnt out resistors. I ended up buying a second LED strip, also described and working and of course it wasn’t, yet again, for the same reason. What is wrong with people !?

I have tried to de-solder the resistors from one to solder back on the other but I just cannot do it with the equipment I have at home, so I’m looking for some PC repair shop that will make short work of it, or at least I hope. Then it will go back on the car and hopefully work.

That’s it for now, more little fixes before a big summer trip planned for august, I’ll attemp the longest drive ever on a clio heading down to Sicily for some sun and waves.

Cheerio

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I was going to do a write down of everything done to the car lately but with this 10 image limit I’ll have to split it in more parts.

1st task:
I have only recently realized there’s two versions of the xenon headlights, one grey the other black. My old red Clio had the black type, this new one came with the greys. I decided to run the newer ones since my old set had developed the classic broken adjuster issue.

Once learnt from good old GrahamS how to fix this kind of issue I went in there and got my old black headlights fixed

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I then decided to re-polish both sets as the grey ones are now for sale, and the black ones had faded yet again (not fond of these 3M kits or I just don’t have the patience).

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While the front of the car was in bits I decided to get stuck in task n.2:

My drive belt was still squeaky even after a new genuine tensioner and the belt itself replaced recently.
Turns out alternators have freewheeling pulleys that can seize up and cause all sorts of havoc. I have to admit I did not know that was even a thing, so I dug into it and decided to go through the alternator replacing both the pulley and the tension regulator while I was in there... kicking myself for not doing this while I had the engine out of the car four months ago!

Getting the alternator out is quite a challenge, and while It was very close to coming off I discovered it was not the original one.

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Sometime in the 17 year life of this engine Somebody had swapped on a unit from a 67 Plate Megane.. at this point I had my doubts this was the right part from my car, and with that I wasn’t even sure the pulley was the right one as there’s many options for those too: some models even had solid ones. As far as the alternator that also varies, I’ve seen 130a units as well as 110a like mine..

What to do?

I decided to stick with mine, and got a new pulley, same style, and a new voltage regulator.

When they arrived I realized the voltage regulator had a bigger plug for the signal wire and therefore I could not fit it.

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To swap the pulley I got myself a special tool, took me a while to figure out which direction to turn what but in the end I got there (undo the spanner on the hex bit and hold the center bit steady).

Once the old pulley was out I could find nothing wrong with it. The center piece can rotate independently from the outer section.. the old and new pulley did not differ much in this. Plus, once the new part was on and tight, I still could not get it to freewheel in either direction.

Must be me, as after all was back on the car and the battery charged the engine ran the smoothest it’s ever had. Very happy, no more embarrassing squealing belt, result.


Task3 was to fix my cup spoiler brake light.
I bought the spoiler back in January, from a nice chap on eBay that made me pay £80 for what was, according to him, a working unit.
Well, it never worked, and after dissecting the light I found out many resistors had given up a long time ago.
I’m rubbish at electrical repairs so jumped straight away on a £30 working unit found on Facebook Marketplace, and sure enough, that was also buggered.

I decided to make one good light out of two, and repaired the best looking one.
After some very poor soldering work and a bit of fiddling with the rubbish connector behind the light I got it to work !

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I’m still not convinced but after a test drive and lots of very scientific punch tests it still works... success !!

Task4 wasn’t really something I was planning to do..
the auto wipers had never worked on the new car, and I’ve tried to fix this by swapping the rain sensor from the old red wagon. No luck there as I made a mess of it trying to get it off.
I incredibly managed to find a brand new genuine unit on eBay for £6. Went straight on, auto wipers work now.

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New coolant, the engine had been tuning on almost straight water since the reshell, about time I gave it what it needs:

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Now what ?

Well, I decided that because of lockdown I haven’t been driving as much as I’d like, and so instead of flying home for the summer holidays, I decided the black Clio will try to drive the furthest I’ve ever gone with my daily commuter: all the way down to Sicily, In the middle of summer.

Only a couple of jobs left, need to change top mounts, fit camber bolts, swap PS3s on and get the thing aligned.
I might even get it properly detailed just to try and impress my parents, will see if the budget stretches that far.

Cheerio !
 
the fact that every couple of months I end up saying “only a couple of jobs left..” makes me laugh.

Been working on diesel clios for 3 years now

This black one really just needs two or three panels changing and a head unit with CarPlay and it’s all the car I can ever want (with 300 less hp)
 
more work tonight, time to get back to those shiny new shocks for some unfinished business.

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Here’s what’s left of the off side top mount bearing, noice.

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New Febi top mount kits go on on both sides, as well as some new bumpstops.

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Happy shocks, now back on.

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I also fitted some Eibach camber bolts, that I will try to properly set tomorrow or next week when they’ll let me use the alignment ramp. The aim is to set the camber back to the factory setting after dropping the car on the Sportlines. I do primarily motorway miles, not interested in lap times for now.

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Happy turd, next tyres, washer pump and a proper detail.

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Had the car detailed to see if it would come up any good, and it did. Clay bar, compound and polish and this is the result, I wish I was better at taking pictures !

I’m sure this is the best it will ever look, as I won’t probably be changing the dented panels to make it perfect.

I’m getting carried away with this thing, need to stop and focus on the BMW !!

PS3s are now back on, I fixed the exciter wire on the alternator so the warning light works properly now.

A new pump brought the dead light washers back to life too.

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I need to also aim the dip beam after fixing the adjusters, set camber and toe and maybe change the oil before leaving on Friday.
 

497adam

ClioSport Club Member
  clio 172 phase 2
more work tonight, time to get back to those shiny new shocks for some unfinished business.

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Here’s what’s left of the off side top mount bearing, noice.

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New Febi top mount kits go on on both sides, as well as some new bumpstops.

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Happy shocks, now back on.

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I also fitted some Eibach camber bolts, that I will try to properly set tomorrow or next week when they’ll let me use the alignment ramp. The aim is to set the camber back to the factory setting after dropping the car on the Sportlines. I do primarily motorway miles, not interested in lap times for now.

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Happy turd, next tyres, washer pump and a proper detail.

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Just had my geometry set up by Blink Motosport - the way it drives is amazing now. Obviously I’m now running more camber on the front .
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497adam

ClioSport Club Member
  clio 172 phase 2
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What I was running prior to suspension refresh


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497adam

ClioSport Club Member
  clio 172 phase 2
thanks for the info adam, will hopefully get in on the gemo ramp on saturday, this time using a 172 preset instead of the non sport last time..

I’m yet too see if the extra camber causes any additional tyre wear. As it was they wore perfectly even bar a bit on the shoulder from spirited driving.


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so, summer trip recap.

In my last post I said the car was going to be aligned before the big journey. Well it was, 3 times in total, and it’s still not right.

I had the car on the Hunter ramp a week before leaving and sorted front toe and camber but, as always, had to rush it first thing in the morning before the angry boss turns up. That meant no test drive, so I was very upset to realize the steering wheel was still on the piss when I drove home from work a couple of hours later.
With no spare time left and 4 days my only option was to book the car in at the local tyre place, which ended up working on it twice, after failing to straighten the steering wheel on their first go.
The second attempt was also a waste of time but by then I had no option but to live with it since there was literally no time for other fixes.

I’m thinking the rear axle could be out. With all the swapping around suspension stuff and having had both the subframe and the rear beam in and out a number of times, I think this could have thrown all the stock alignment figures off, and that to be 100% straight, the car needs a proper 3/4 hours spent on, with no pressure, to be properly aligned.
Both rear beam and front subframe are fastened by very long bolts that fit very loosely in holes that allow for a certain degree of movement. My theory is that everything needs to be looosened up and reset on a ramp.

I guess this is the price to pay when you mess with components that are not meant to be taken off the car after it leaves the assembly line, or maybe I should just accept the fact that geometry work is something that I’ll have to farm out from now on.

All I managed to do was to properly aim the headlights after fixing the broken lens adjusters

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And so, on the evening of the 24th of July, I left for a 3000+ miles trip with a car that wasn’t properly aligned.

Oh well, at least everything else was fine.
And I mean it! There isn’t another thing that I’m not happy with: every other component that needed fixing/upgrading has been, and finally I had a nice seat to sit on, the climate control was bang on, the newer rims made it for a smoother ride and the recent fixes with alternator and headlights gave me more peace of mind.

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I managed to catch a later ferry after missing the one I booked, and settled in for the night with a fast 80mph cruising speed aiming for Modena probably for lunchtime/early afternoon the next day, going for the Switzerland route (cheaper than Mont Blanc tunnel).

Once there, slightly later than planned, I managed to squeeze some joyriding in a friends old rice burner, and after that I got back on the motorway and headed for Rome, reached by 11pm.

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Pleased to say my dad was impressed by the little car and even gave me some credit for all the work reshelling the old red shed; goals.

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The next day we headed for a quick 70km trip back north to the Argentario region of Tuscany for a 4 day family reunion that included loads of activities with my sport addicted retired dad

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If you’ve never been, go.

1st of August I said goodbye to mum and dad to go reach the lads for another reunion, this time with my high school mates, down in Gaeta, southern Latium.

Another special place, highly recommend.

The drive down was a flashback for me, both to a year ago, when I was driving an old Fiat through Asia on the Mongol Rally, but also to when Italy was my home, and battered roads and rude drivers were the norm.

The Clio was fine. You just hit that cruise control button and any destination is in reach.

With the lads weekend in the bag it was time for the final chapter: a 5 day road trip to Sicily, with an aggressive 500km first leg to the tip of Calabria to catch the ferry the next day.

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Magical places, again, go.

The rest of the trip went really well. Managed to be the last car on the ferry across the straight of Messina (these run every 20mins so not a big deal if you miss one) and in 5 days we drove all the way down to “Isola delle Correnti”, the southernmost tip of the Sicilian island.

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Right from there, a week ago, I left for a 30 hour return trip to the UK with a quick stopover in Rome to shower, sleep and grab some pasta from mamma.
1100 miles and change covered yesterday alone (the furthest I have ever driven in a day), for a total of 3771 for the whole trip.

Car was fine, it is a continent crusher this thing. Climate control did struggle to keep me dry but we are experiencing some insane heat these days so this isn’t exactly normal weather, and considering I was in the car for 22 hours it might have just been me.

The sweet spot for cruising speed is right around 70mph, possibly a touch slower.
On the way down I was trying to go faster but fuel economy was quite poor at 52mpg. The car was also loaded up with junk so we’ll take that into account and go for a 55 average.
But on the way back, at 68/70 indicated, the car averaged 61mpg at the pump, a dramatic improvement with a very little difference in speed.
It also feels better cruising at 2500rpm as opposed to the almost 3k at 80.. 6 speed anyone!?!?

All in all very pleased. I have started looking at replacements for this car purely because I am running out of things to do to it (once I align it properly that is) and fancy a change with something maybe a touch bigger and more at home on a motorway.

But I have just crossed a large chunk of Europe with it, twice, with excellent fuel economy and decent levels of comfort for such a small old car that I know I don’t really NEED anything else.

Once back I pressure washed two weeks worth of road grime and dust, also vacuumed enough sand to make my own little beach outside my flat.
Back to normal life.

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Onto the next problem: oil level is suspiciously low, with no apparent leaks.
Where’s my turbo ?
 

Brigsy

ClioSport Club Member
  Kangoo 172cup
Proper road trip (y)

Low 50mpg sounds about right at 80mph, need to be under 70 for 60’s really.

I wouldnt worry too much about a bit of oil consumption over 3k miles, providing its not totally dry. Mine uses a bit too, but not excessive, i think Ren say a ltr over 1000miles is acceptable:cautious:
 
My best real life consumption figure, back when I was commuting in and out of London in late 2019, was 62.47mpg. 725miles out of almost 53L fill up. This was done averaging 60/65mph on motorways and very easy on the throttle round town.
Best one I got during this trip is 62, but I was never hanging about, as I said, 70mph minimum, sometimes faster.

It’s the gearing that hurts it, if only a 6 speed could fit the old style block.. I reckon the 100 block could accept the later mk3 6speed box maybe ??
 
My best real life consumption figure, back when I was commuting in and out of London in late 2019, was 62.47mpg. 725miles out of almost 53L fill up. This was done averaging 60/65mph on motorways and very easy on the throttle round town.
Best one I got during this trip is 62, but I was never hanging about, as I said, 70mph minimum, sometimes faster.

It’s the gearing that hurts it, if only a 6 speed could fit the old style block.. I reckon the 100 block could accept the later mk3 6speed box maybe ??
The K9K 724 100 block will probably accept a TL4 from a 106 dCi Megane or Clio iirc

The JR5 120 is front starter and the bellhousing bolts are very similar

JR5

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TL4

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  dci 105hp & rs172
I think I would have to change the flywheel. and maybe there is no room for tl4 in clio 2.






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I already saw that put the box of 6 in a clio 3 dci 86. It was necessary the flywheel of the dci 106, e. clutch






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if I had more time when I reshelled the car I would have spent a couple of hours figuring out the differences between the old and new style block.
apart from the more obvious (starter on the opposite side) would be nice to see how the 6 speed mounts on later generation scenics and clios to see if there is a way of shoehorning one in a mk2.
it is not something I'm planning to do of course but damn was I crying for a 6th gear when I had the engine screaming at 3k trying to make some time at 80mph !!

I've also heard these later cars are also quite short geared, so the difference in revs at top end would probably not be much anyway !
 
Aaaand we’ve clocked 150k, time for an oil and filter change.

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Was pleased to find a dry engine bay, nothing leaking underneath, even the undertray was mint. Cleaned it up from the dirt and back on.

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5L of Helix 5w40 and a new genuine filter.

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Nothing else to report really. I still want to get it aligned, will do it when my wallet recovers from the holiday and also from the purchase of yet another project car ..

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Time to update this, not much to report, the car works fine and gets me from A to B with ease, average fuel economy round town is 57 real Mpg which I think isn’t too bad.

I’ve been fighting with the damn rain sensor for a couple of weeks.

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This black car has an aftermarket screen fitted, and the glue for the rain sensor support has not survived the installation of the new sensor back in August.. or probably the sensor was never the problem, the surround support wasn’t properly on the screen to provide enough pressure.

Anyways, I had a couple of goes at this and still have not found a suitable type of silicon/glue/epoxy that holds the damn thing on.

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I’ve tried sticking the surround on first, wait a couple of days, then clamp the sensor on and nothing, after two or three days it would come off the screen, auto wipers going beserk.

It is now on held with tape, and this time I have stuck the thing on with the sensor already attached, see if it makes any difference..

Other than that, no Christmas trip this year so a lot less mileage to log and loads of city driving to and from work.

I had a trackday at Donington booked for the 10/1 but had to postpone it since I was stuck in Italy with no return flight options at that time.

The car keeps being the ultimate machine

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Swallows all sorts of loads, we all like that, and it’s fun to drive.

I had a pesky knocking noise from the front left and while it was on for its MOT, the technician showed me how the pass side ball joint was completely shagged.

New one goes on

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At the same time I decided to swap the winter tyres back on and clean up the rims

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I had the car aligned not too long ago and it now drives straight enough

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Also two new wheel bearings have joined the party

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All good then, 153k.
 


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