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Quaife / Gripper Diff
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182cup & 172 racecar
Re: Wanted: Quaife / Gripper Diff
So are we
So are we
Evo 5 RS
Re: Wanted: Quaife / Gripper Diff
I spoke to Quaife not long ago as they're literally 2 minutes from me,
The unit is 895 + VAT and they charge £200+VAT to fit the unit to the gearbox.. (Random bit of inf for you)
££££££
I spoke to Quaife not long ago as they're literally 2 minutes from me,
The unit is 895 + VAT and they charge £200+VAT to fit the unit to the gearbox.. (Random bit of inf for you)
££££££
182cup & 172 racecar
Re: Wanted: Quaife / Gripper Diff
I believe a Quaife is not that suitable for racing though.I spent alot of time at the weekend looking into it all.
Minefield.
I believe a Quaife is not that suitable for racing though.I spent alot of time at the weekend looking into it all.
Minefield.
lift number 1 @ btm
Re: Wanted: Quaife / Gripper Diff
That's gone up! I'm sure mine was around £700.
Why is that Tony, out of interest?
That's gone up! I'm sure mine was around £700.
Why is that Tony, out of interest?
Evo 5 RS
Re: Wanted: Quaife / Gripper Diff
Howser, I noticed that K-Tec sell the unit for 1074, which is 895+VAT also
Howser, I noticed that K-Tec sell the unit for 1074, which is 895+VAT also
SG9 Forester STi
Re: Wanted: Quaife / Gripper Diff
Also interested in what you found out Tony
They are actually quite a fair bit cheaper for the 197.
Also interested in what you found out Tony
They are actually quite a fair bit cheaper for the 197.
Re: Wanted: Quaife / Gripper Diff
I'd assume because the quaife is a torque sensing, worm-gear diff, and the gripper is a proper clutch type diff. The quaife's can't transfer the torque if one wheel loses all traction.
I'd assume because the quaife is a torque sensing, worm-gear diff, and the gripper is a proper clutch type diff. The quaife's can't transfer the torque if one wheel loses all traction.
182cup & 172 racecar
Re: Wanted: Quaife / Gripper Diff
This,from what I could work out,gave me a headache on Sunday reading all that jazz.Good thing about Quaife is that it's fit and forget,Gripper needs attention every so often.
This,from what I could work out,gave me a headache on Sunday reading all that jazz.Good thing about Quaife is that it's fit and forget,Gripper needs attention every so often.
182cup & 172 racecar
Re: Wanted: Quaife / Gripper Diff
I've picked up a quaife direct from them for my car. I had a fairly lengthy discussion with Matt Simmons on its application for motorsport and he assured me it's smooth, constant operation is ideal for circuit based racing. Fit and forget feature / lifetime warantee is always handy. My understanding it that it does transfer torque away from the wheel that has lost traction, constantly?
I've picked up a quaife direct from them for my car. I had a fairly lengthy discussion with Matt Simmons on its application for motorsport and he assured me it's smooth, constant operation is ideal for circuit based racing. Fit and forget feature / lifetime warantee is always handy. My understanding it that it does transfer torque away from the wheel that has lost traction, constantly?
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Sir_Dave
ClioSport Trader
Re: Wanted: Quaife / Gripper Diff
I didn't read that bit properly. My understanding is that if one wheel experiences zero traction (for example: Ice) the geared diff cannot counter that - as you rightly suggest.
I didn't read that bit properly. My understanding is that if one wheel experiences zero traction (for example: Ice) the geared diff cannot counter that - as you rightly suggest.
182cup & 172 racecar
Re: Wanted: Quaife / Gripper Diff
You see,thats why it all gets a bit messy and confusing.What did Matt have to say then Tom?
You see,thats why it all gets a bit messy and confusing.What did Matt have to say then Tom?
Re: Wanted: Quaife / Gripper Diff
That for circuit work in a FWD car the quaife (http://www.quaife.co.uk/shop/products/qdf6m-0) is ideal as it's operation is very smooth (no snatch or full lock). Due to the fact that you rarely experience sudden and full loose of traction (ice under one wheel for example) its well suited to tarmac based activities as it works constantly to eliminate corner exit lack of traction. For me the maintenance free design is ideal too! Lastly if you supply quaife with a crownwheel they will machine it to fit FOC which is a nice add on service.
Although I have seen pictures of your race car lapping in the snow - so on second thoughts - it may not suit your needs
That for circuit work in a FWD car the quaife (http://www.quaife.co.uk/shop/products/qdf6m-0) is ideal as it's operation is very smooth (no snatch or full lock). Due to the fact that you rarely experience sudden and full loose of traction (ice under one wheel for example) its well suited to tarmac based activities as it works constantly to eliminate corner exit lack of traction. For me the maintenance free design is ideal too! Lastly if you supply quaife with a crownwheel they will machine it to fit FOC which is a nice add on service.
Although I have seen pictures of your race car lapping in the snow - so on second thoughts - it may not suit your needs
182cup & 172 racecar
Re: Wanted: Quaife / Gripper Diff
Might not suit our 2 wheel moments when pushing hard! Lol at snow.
Might not suit our 2 wheel moments when pushing hard! Lol at snow.
TrackCar & F30 330d
Re: Wanted: Quaife / Gripper Diff
So if a quafe diff is £895 + Vat how much is a gripper?
So if a quafe diff is £895 + Vat how much is a gripper?
Golf GTD Mk7
Re: Wanted: Quaife / Gripper Diff
I'm sure Ktec were charging £1700 fitted for this. Not sure if the quaife fitting cost includes removal and refitting of the box.
From memory, the GB ones were around £900 with adjusted crown wheel.
I thought it was you and Jay that bought Russ's box off him.
Gripper should be better than quaife from track. Quaife requires less maintenance, so is more suited to road card, whereas the gripper will need regular oil changes and probably a sooner rebuild. I believe the gripper moves more power to the wheel with the most traction compared to the quaife also.
I'm sure Ktec were charging £1700 fitted for this
. Not sure if the quaife fitting cost includes removal and refitting of the box.From memory, the GB ones were around £900 with adjusted crown wheel.
So are we
I thought it was you and Jay that bought Russ's box off him.
Gripper should be better than quaife from track. Quaife requires less maintenance, so is more suited to road card, whereas the gripper will need regular oil changes and probably a sooner rebuild. I believe the gripper moves more power to the wheel with the most traction compared to the quaife also.
Mazda 3 MPS Mk1
The Quaife would be the only one for me, my cars coming up to 80k now so thinking it may need a clutch in the future so am looking to get a second hand box to send to agency transmissions along with the diff, and stick a stronger clutch it when fitted. The prospect of having to remove the box to service the gripper is a no no for me
lift number 1 @ btm
Re: Wanted: Quaife / Gripper Diff
It was a couple of years ago I bought mine, I'm curious now so I'll try to dig out the invoice and see.
That all makes sense about the drive, I always thought a quaife was fine for circut work but if you were rallying you needed a plate diff.
It was a couple of years ago I bought mine, I'm curious now so I'll try to dig out the invoice and see.
That all makes sense about the drive, I always thought a quaife was fine for circut work but if you were rallying you needed a plate diff.
Nafoff
ClioSport Club Member
Re: Wanted: Quaife / Gripper Diff
very interesting thread this,
my colleague who races his westfield has just fitted a gripper to that so i we have been talking about them alot
very interesting thread this,
my colleague who races his westfield has just fitted a gripper to that so i we have been talking about them alot
Re: Wanted: Quaife / Gripper Diff
Unless your running a silly amount of camber or stupid power (over 300bhp) not really a need dave i'd say. I run 3 degrees of neg camber on the front and around 220bhp per tonne and never had a problem with traction loss on track.
Just spend them pennies on trackdays!
Unless your running a silly amount of camber or stupid power (over 300bhp) not really a need dave i'd say. I run 3 degrees of neg camber on the front and around 220bhp per tonne and never had a problem with traction loss on track.
Just spend them pennies on trackdays!
Mazda 3 MPS Mk1
Just spend them pennies on trackdays!
My plan entirely! Sell me your donny day!!
Evo 5 RS
Re: Wanted: Quaife / Gripper Diff
On a boosted Clio, i'd be interested to drive one with an atb quaife
On a boosted Clio, i'd be interested to drive one with an atb quaife
Golf GTD Mk7
Re: Wanted: Quaife / Gripper Diff
It's not about that, it's more about having the ability to put your foot down more in the corners. It would be noticably different. Unless you were competing, I'm not sure it's worth it.
Unless your running a silly amount of camber or stupid power (over 300bhp) not really a need dave i'd say. I run 3 degrees of neg camber on the front and around 220bhp per tonne and never had a problem with traction loss on track.
Just spend them pennies on trackdays!
It's not about that, it's more about having the ability to put your foot down more in the corners. It would be noticably different. Unless you were competing, I'm not sure it's worth it.
Re: Wanted: Quaife / Gripper Diff
I have a Gripper Dog Box and Plate LSD in my Rallycross car. If you still havn't decided in a few weeks when its back toegether your welcome to come and have a drive. The box is at Gripper at the mo having the ratios changed. If you see the video you can see they are pretty long.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTHkDe2mVQ0
I have a Gripper Dog Box and Plate LSD in my Rallycross car. If you still havn't decided in a few weeks when its back toegether your welcome to come and have a drive. The box is at Gripper at the mo having the ratios changed. If you see the video you can see they are pretty long.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTHkDe2mVQ0
182cup & 172 racecar
Re: Wanted: Quaife / Gripper Diff
I give up.
I give up.
shiftspark
ClioSport Club Member
R53 GR86
Re: Wanted: Quaife / Gripper Diff
Quaife are as said 895 +vat but will machine crownwheel to fit onto it free but all this needs stripping and refitting to box so another £350-£400 labour depending if you get the box rebuilt.
Downside is that you are stuck with renault ratios for the final drive.
gripper is £850 +vat and the crown wheel need machining but not sure if this was free or not but they will rebuild it into your box for £200 + vat the big bonus is that they have different c/w ratios to choose from but at £450 + vat its quite expensive.
They both have their own merits so you need to make up your own minds as to which is best.........let me know if you do lol
Quaife are as said 895 +vat but will machine crownwheel to fit onto it free but all this needs stripping and refitting to box so another £350-£400 labour depending if you get the box rebuilt.
Downside is that you are stuck with renault ratios for the final drive.
gripper is £850 +vat and the crown wheel need machining but not sure if this was free or not but they will rebuild it into your box for £200 + vat the big bonus is that they have different c/w ratios to choose from but at £450 + vat its quite expensive.
They both have their own merits so you need to make up your own minds as to which is best.........let me know if you do lol
Sir_Dave
ClioSport Trader
Re: Wanted: Quaife / Gripper Diff
You use R888's though remember,!
I dunno, having driven an itb'd 106 gti with a quaife LSD & dog box (rallye ratios - 175bhp, & geared for 115mph.), id spend money on proper transmission before cams, itb's, superchargers or pretty much anything else!!
Depends on the application though, a track car should be fun, a race car should be quick.
I would imagine that a proper sequential box & diff would make a bigger difference to lap times in a race car than an extra 40bhp with the standard box/diff.
Unless your running a silly amount of camber or stupid power (over 300bhp) not really a need dave i'd say. I run 3 degrees of neg camber on the front and around 220bhp per tonne and never had a problem with traction loss on track.
Just spend them pennies on trackdays!
You use R888's though remember,!
I dunno, having driven an itb'd 106 gti with a quaife LSD & dog box (rallye ratios - 175bhp, & geared for 115mph.
), id spend money on proper transmission before cams, itb's, superchargers or pretty much anything else!!Depends on the application though, a track car should be fun, a race car should be quick.
I would imagine that a proper sequential box & diff would make a bigger difference to lap times in a race car than an extra 40bhp with the standard box/diff.
RS RIP
Re: Wanted: Quaife / Gripper Diff
You're playing it safe on track, knowing when to hit throttle not get the inner wheel to spin. This is not the way to go FAST
(well it is, unless you have better grip: a Quaife)
Unless your running a silly amount of camber or stupid power (over 300bhp) not really a need dave i'd say. I run 3 degrees of neg camber on the front and around 220bhp per tonne and never had a problem with traction loss on track.
Just spend them pennies on trackdays!
You're playing it safe on track, knowing when to hit throttle not get the inner wheel to spin. This is not the way to go FAST
(well it is, unless you have better grip: a Quaife)
182cup & 172 racecar
Re: Wanted: Quaife / Gripper Diff
I know what you are saying Nick,but when you are racing, you cannot always wait for the right moment to put the power down.Plus your not always on the right line etc.
I know what you are saying Nick,but when you are racing, you cannot always wait for the right moment to put the power down.Plus your not always on the right line etc.
Golf GTD Mk7
This tbh. The man speaks sense
Re: Wanted: Quaife / Gripper Diff
No I totally agree with you Tony in terms of racing, i'm sure it would make a huge difference.
However there seems to be a few idiots on here who clearly didnt read my post fully. I was refering to Dave who created this thread, who is not racing and will just be using his car on road/track so in my opinion its not worth it.
On a race car its worth it, however on a trackcar unless you have an unlimited amount of money its not worth it in my opinion. Just get some grippier tyres.
No I totally agree with you Tony in terms of racing, i'm sure it would make a huge difference.
However there seems to be a few idiots on here who clearly didnt read my post fully. I was refering to Dave who created this thread, who is not racing and will just be using his car on road/track so in my opinion its not worth it.
On a race car its worth it, however on a trackcar unless you have an unlimited amount of money its not worth it in my opinion. Just get some grippier tyres.
182cup & 172 racecar
Re: Wanted: Quaife / Gripper Diff
Sorry Nick,I must be one of those idiots,but you are right and this is what I have always said in many threads before,as with like 4 pots,not needed.
Pub talk, thats it.
Sorry Nick,I must be one of those idiots
,but you are right and this is what I have always said in many threads before,as with like 4 pots,not needed.Pub talk, thats it.
Re: Wanted: Quaife / Gripper Diff
Nah Tony I didnt mean to cause you offense as you know a darn sight more than me! Just think it's the others in this thread who look at what one person says and agree with them to make them look big/clever when they havent read what I said properly.
But nevermind!
p.s. Tony - When you getting a diff then?
Nah Tony I didnt mean to cause you offense as you know a darn sight more than me! Just think it's the others in this thread who look at what one person says and agree with them to make them look big/clever when they havent read what I said properly.
But nevermind!
p.s. Tony - When you getting a diff then?
SG9 Forester STi
Re: Wanted: Quaife / Gripper Diff
As Nick said Tony - when you getting one lol?
My reasoning for wanting one was because I like to attend the drag racing days throughout the summer. Now I know it's no 500bhp drag car but it's really good fun and the last few i've done the car has held it's own.
The diff would really give me the start I needed but for over 1k? I'd rather do an accidental burnout lol.
As Nick said Tony - when you getting one lol?
My reasoning for wanting one was because I like to attend the drag racing days throughout the summer. Now I know it's no 500bhp drag car but it's really good fun and the last few i've done the car has held it's own.
The diff would really give me the start I needed but for over 1k? I'd rather do an accidental burnout lol.
182cup & 172 racecar
Re: Wanted: Quaife / Gripper Diff
We are saving the pennies like mad atm.
Nick,no offence taken,just saying I didn't read it properly.
We are saving the pennies like mad atm.
Nick,no offence taken,just saying I didn't read it properly.
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