Replacing rear speakers with components

[Yellow Dave]

Has anyone done the above to a 3door ? What are your thoughts?

I don't play my music as loud as it will go but I do like it to sound good. I've always noticed that the sound stage is very much set to the front, with front and rear fade set equal, to the point where I don't really notice anything coming from the rear speakers.

On a long journey at the weekend in the back of a clio I noticed that although you can just hear something coming from the rear speakers, it is hugely drowned out by the usual road noise and the front speakers.

My thoughts were to replace them with a half decent set of components (nothing special as the head unit doesn't exactly put out alot of power) hide the crossovers inside the rear interior wings and mount the tweeter close to where the seat joins the plastic panels under the side window?

just an idea as I thought it might create a better sound stage, as long as they don't over power the fronts obviously.

 

[adam1942]

I just set my speakers to be louder in the back than the front, that way it equals them out just means the front ones dont go as loud as they used too... cheapest and easiest way imo

 

[Yellow Dave]

I just set my speakers to be louder in the back than the front, that way it equals them out just means the front ones dont go as loud as they used too... cheapest and easiest way imo

You mean fading it more to the rear? Then you have to turn it up more so the front sounds the same and more chance of distorsion. I was thinking that having components with a tweeter above the the standard position would carry the sound better using the same power. I've seen Pioneer make them with tweeters that can mount to the surface instead of cutting them into the interior trim.

 

[AlanR]

M8 I think what you are planning is spot on.

I have my eqiptment and layout all sorted and just waiting on next months pay cheque to come through then it will be going ahead.

I all my gear is MTX and am getting
2x12" subs
2xmono block amps
2xfront components
and a full custom boot build.

I am getting this all at once and they are going to put a set of components in place of my speakers in the back (3door clio as well) and free lighting free of change as the whole build is costing so much

 

[Sean.]

In such a small car you really dont need rear speakers. BUT if you really wanted to add a bit of rear fill then keep your components in the doors amped up as normal.

Buy a simple set of coaxials that run of the headunit. That would be ideal.

Here's my setup:

Front:

Pioneer Headunit
Pioneer 5.25" comps in the front
Pioneer 2 channel amp for them

Rear:

Pioneer coaxials in the rear running from the head unit.

Boot:

Hertz 8" sub woofer in the boot
Pioneer monoblock amp for that

All fed from a Crossfire graphic equaliser

Well this will be my setup soon. ordering it all when i return from hols next week cant wait.

SQ baby!

 

[dwright_fender]

pioneer ftw

 

[Yellow Dave]

pioneer ftw

Will somebody please tell me waht 'FTW' stands for because I can't work it out

 

[Black-Clio-1.4]

M8 I think what you are planning is spot on.

I have my eqiptment and layout all sorted and just waiting on next months pay cheque to come through then it will be going ahead.

I all my gear is MTX and am getting
2x12" subs
2xmono block amps
2xfront components
and a full custom boot build.

Are you not amping the speakers, coz thats gonna sound piss poor if you've got the subs bouncing around and no music!

Also are you having it deadend?

'I concidered having a boot build made up for me, (£800, including deading and installation of three amps all speakers and 0 gauge cable. '

In the end I did it my slef and saved well over £550.

 

[Black-Clio-1.4]

FTW = FOR THE WIN!

Urban distionary FTW!

 

[Yellow Dave]

Thanks for that, I wouldn't have worked that one out.

I love Pioneer equipment like headunits, amps equalisers etc, but was never sure on there sound quality, apart from there speakers they made a few years back with a yellow kevlar cone and £200+ price tag. BUT saying that I know very little about stereo equipment and haven't looked into it for almost 3yrs now.

Can anyone reckomend compnent sets that will work well with the standard headunits power output as I don't want to amp them at a reasonable price

 

[JON13S]

pioneer do a straight swap for the fronts..... yellow kevlar cone getting some myself on payday been quoted 65 quid ish

 

[Yellow Dave]

pioneer do a straight swap for the fronts..... yellow kevlar cone getting some myself on payday been quoted 65 quid ish

That sounds pretty good! Do you have a link to them or where you're getting them from?

 

[Black-Clio-1.4]

alipine are usually quite good...

 

[guysy]

Running Fusions up front (13cm) Look chavish green, but you cant see then with the grills on, and they sounds great for the 30ish i paid for them on ebay. Good bass.

Swapped the rear speakers for 6x9s (vibe Kevlar range) Cost about 80. Wire the rear speaker wire into the boot and hooked up the speakers.

Overall cheap but good setup, im pleased with it.

 

[JON13S]

they are called pioneer TS-Q131C direct fir for renaults. dont even have to change connectors. can't give you a link as to where i will be getting them from as its a local motorfactors that a mate works at.

http://www.pioneer.co.uk/uk/products/TS-Q131C/print.html

 

[Yellow Dave]

they are called pioneer TS-Q131C direct fir for renaults. dont even have to change connectors. can't give you a link as to where i will be getting them from as its a local motorfactors that a mate works at.

http://www.pioneer.co.uk/uk/products/TS-Q131C/print.html

They sound like the kind of thing I'm after, depending on how much I can find them for.

How do you wire them up if you fit them in the front though? Do you use the standard speaker wires, as I imagine they have a crossover to run them?

 

[JON13S]

they plug straight in with no messing. even use the same connectors mate. already looked into it. not sure on how to fit them to the rear though as we have coaials as std.

 

[Clgale88]

you dont need components in the back just a set of alpine 13cm speakers will do cost you about £60 you want to concentrate more on the fronts get a really good set of componts in the front thats where you want the quality.

 

[Yellow Dave]

they plug straight in with no messing. even use the same connectors mate. already looked into it. not sure on how to fit them to the rear though as we have coaials as std.

I'd imagine they must have some kind of built in crossover to filter out the different frequencies then.

As for the rears, I was thinking of using a standard component system. Run the standard speaker wire to the crossover, then run a wire from that back to the speaker and tweeter

 

[Clgale88]

Just put a decent set of componets in front i.e JLaudio then 13cm alpines in back sound awesome thats what sextons told me to do have more sound in the front and a nice lil sub thats if you want a sub if you do a vibe 10"active

 

[Yellow Dave]

you dont need components in the back just a set of alpine 13cm speakers will do cost you about £60 you want to concentrate more on the fronts get a really good set of componts in the front thats where you want the quality.

My old clio (53 reg 3door dynamique) had infinity kappa components wired up on the front and 13cm infinity kappa co axials in the rear running of a nice pioneer head unit. MB Quartz 12" sub running of a audio systems 450w RMS amp. With or without the sub, there was no real sign of having speakers in the rear at all.

I will be changing the fronts to a set of components, but would like to create an all round sound stage. There only going to be running off the standard head unit so I'm not wanting anything thats fantastic, just nice

 

[Clgale88]

where would you put the tweeters in the rear of the car

 

[Yellow Dave]

where would you put the tweeters in the rear of the car

Where the interior trim bends over flat where it meets the side window, or at the front of the bit that holds up the parcel shelf. It should project sound into the car quite nicely, just have to make sure it's not right in the ear of anyone sitting in the back. Or if I decide to cut holes into the trim I could mount them slightly behind where the front seat belt goes. similar position as Fords use

 

[Yellow Dave]

I've kind of decided on speakers. What are your thoughts:

for the front:
http://www.pioneer.co.uk/uk/products/25/132/201/TS-Q131C/index.html
As suggested earlier in the thread sa they're a direct Renault replacement

For the rear:
http://www.pioneer.co.uk/uk/products/25/131/201/TS-A132C/index.html
fairly cheap but has small crossovers, but a decent frequency responce and sensitivity. Plus they have the tweeter fitments for Renault and the surface mount option instead of flush fitting.

I bought one of these from the Halfords in Sudbury for £25 last night for my sis as she has my old headunit.
http://caraudiosecurity.com/shop/product/products_id/4928.html

 

[Clgale88]

Jl audio do some really nice components you dont have to put a crossover anywhere as the crossover is built in in sextons there £199.99 reduced to £109.99 there 120w rms put them in front and back what im thinking of doing now and put the tweeter in the back panel like you said.

 

[Sean.]

the JL comps are far too sharp, too bright imo.

Wouldnt buy them. Id go for a set of bostons over JL's half the money and better sound

 

[Yellow Dave]

halfords are quoting £89.99 for the Pioneer TS-Q131C. Car audio direct have them for £69.99. Theres an ICE specialist in Colchester and they want £117.99, but he comfirmed the crossovers are built into the speakers so no messing around with wires or trying to hide the crossovers in the dash. Plug and play.

I spoke to him about components in the back, he replied with only ever put 6x9's in the back. I said I wanted it to look standard so he tried to sell me a stealth shelf for £99. I won't be going back there

 

[Sean.]

lmao @ the 6x9's quote! what a half wit!

id avoid comps in the rear whoever wants to put them in. they will only drag the sound back behind you.

you want the sound to be in your ears, not someone inthe back seat! just stick a set of coaxials in there running from the HU. that will be more than enough for any rear setup.

 

[Jaff]

pioneer do direct replacements for the double cones in the back , in teh custom fit speaker section they are purple iirc, they also have omponants with renault fittings too.

use the same screw holes, connectors etc. look up the cspeaker group buy thread for more info on them.

 

[downie6442]

There appears to be a split opinion here.
Both are right, but if you ask me which id go for, id leave the rear as standard and amp the front speakers.

If you think about it, a sound you hear in front of you, your ears can detect the direction of, thats why your ears face forward, this is what you call the soundstage. It allows you to pick the direction and height of a sound. Sound behind you, although you hear it, you cant destinguish exactly where it is comming from. You want sound but you want to hear from in front to pick out where its comming from exactly.

If you want volume, chuck some better speakers in the back, if you want quality dont fit components in the back. The reason for having a separate tweeter is to lift the soundstage, if its behind you, your wasting money.

Amp up the front, focus on a good set of well installed speakers up front with a good amp and a decent sub setup for the best quality sound.

 

[Yellow Dave]

The standard HU will be staying, so won't be amping anything. And I certainly don't want to have a sub again.

At the weekend I fitted a pair of Infinity Reference 5" coaxials in the rear with the standard front speakers and headunit. I played with the fade front to rear, and had it on -7 towards the rear before the rears became audable whilst sat in the middle of the car (my head between the front seats) but this meant that the fronts sounded awful.

I may leave the rear inifinity's in, but i'm definitely upgarding the fronts to the pioneer renault fit components. I would just like to better use the power from the standard HU by using a more efficeint speaker so I can create an all round sound, but mainly coming from the front