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RR Result at RS Tuning
- Thread starter kevo66
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B/G 182 + PH1 Track
No have a look at a pug 206 180, they are a good laugh :rasp:
LOL the entire 206 180 project was a joke from start to finish. Initialy it was supposed to be a new cylinder head design and hello 180bhp - ended up being an entirely new engine bar block and basic components, went massively over budget and still rarely made more than 165bhp. Perfect proof of what happens when the marketing department get in before the engineers.
185bhp'ish is about right from a 197 IMHO. The cup cars certainly don't make 205 ;-)
Cheers
M
185bhp'ish is about right from a 197 IMHO. The cup cars certainly don't make 205 ;-)
Cheers
M
RSTuning
ClioSport Club Member
R35 GTR
You should tell Red Dot that LOL
It was a few years ago now but people don't really realise the panic and upset Renault caused when they released the 172. Previous to that 140bhp was a "hugely" powerful hot hatch. 150 - 160bhp was for the mid size performance hatches. Renault popped along with a north of 170bhp teeny tiny hat and the arse dropped out of the every one knocking together hot hatches as all of a sudden theres was only just warm.
The GTI 180 was the response to the Clio 172 and it had to be a 180. The job of pulling a POS 138bhp engine upto 180bhp was not even possible whilst still meeting emissions targets and budget yet it had to be 180bhp so it was more than the Clio.
I did a technical study on the 180bhp spec engine package shortly after the GTI 180 was released for a potential privateer race entry and knew a fair whack of the dev team on the 180 project. No one liked that one!!!!!!
I'm sure the Clio 182 only came about so Renault were '2' up on Pug ;-)
Cheers
M
The GTI 180 was the response to the Clio 172 and it had to be a 180. The job of pulling a POS 138bhp engine upto 180bhp was not even possible whilst still meeting emissions targets and budget yet it had to be 180bhp so it was more than the Clio.
I did a technical study on the 180bhp spec engine package shortly after the GTI 180 was released for a potential privateer race entry and knew a fair whack of the dev team on the 180 project. No one liked that one!!!!!!
I'm sure the Clio 182 only came about so Renault were '2' up on Pug ;-)
Cheers
M
ITB'd MK1
rofl, i remember thinking that of the 182 when it came out.
No-one in pug circles liked the 180 either, lol
182
i do keep banging on about at the wheel figures but they are much more accurate/better way of telling true power compared to flywheel results
to be fair to the pug GTI 180, i had a "play" once with one and couldn't pull away, maybe it was modfied but it didn't look it (old, standard 172 for the record)
to be fair to the pug GTI 180, i had a "play" once with one and couldn't pull away, maybe it was modfied but it didn't look it (old, standard 172 for the record)
140 atw's alright for a standard 182 just with a remap?140 atw, 50hp trans loss, funny
I think the real benefit is improvement in torque.
TTRS & V50
Hit nail on tut head.
Hate this argue'ments. Mine is blah blah and its had so and so, but my standard one have more horse's.
Like Bazzon said, its only good for comparisons tbh.
RSTuning
ClioSport Club Member
R35 GTR
These could be 401's, not sur what spec cat are doing yet but they are the more mild ones i think.
When we dyno'd it with no mapping they made not much more than stock and interestingly made some extra torque low down which is rare for most cams.
Mapping found some horses though
Paul
Well the good thing with my case is that I can simply revert to my saved ECU .rst file & get it RR'd again.
Does repeated RR-ing damage your car?
Darren S
ClioSport Club Member
as paul said i'll let kev do the talking, its all good tho
and for my sins i get to strip everything out of it this weekend, bugger!
might have to pay u a visit for a map one day paul
What are you having done, Naith? Going for the R26R look?
D.
172 5HED
Hello boys and Girls.
Matt, thanks for all your help with these, you have been very patient mate!!
Paul, you are a ledge mate!!! You certainly know your stuff, all I can say is, I would not go anywhere else! Hope your dad forgives me for all the hassle it caused fitting them haha!!
Matt, thanks for all your help with these, you have been very patient mate!!
Paul, you are a ledge mate!!! You certainly know your stuff, all I can say is, I would not go anywhere else! Hope your dad forgives me for all the hassle it caused fitting them haha!!
Darren S
ClioSport Club Member
not yet mate, i had the 26R look before the 26R lol, only got all my stuff back in because the cars due some work in the next few weeks but ran it bare all last year
stripping kevs down this weekend
Lol! Maybe Reno got some spy-shots of your motor and thought "now there's an idea....."!
Possible commission payments need to be looked into!
D.
RSTuning
ClioSport Club Member
R35 GTR
a thirsty one
nice one kev, look forward to seeing/hearing it on 21 feb mate.
172 5HED
Pleasure to map it mate.
Paul
ha mate, its awsome!! Thanks again!! :star:
Hi, i have Clio 197 All standart, and my result on RR was 199,4 HP and 211NM of torque...
http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/2613/rollingroadmyyu1.jpg
http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/2613/rollingroadmyyu1.jpg
Haha my pleasure mate and I'm not just saying that because I do a fair bit with Cat and happen to sell CatCams - credit must go to the Paul big time though, his calibration skills are what found the north of 200bhp figure.
I hope you realise you now have one of, if not the, most powerful 197 road car in the world.
It'd be quite a good giggle to chuck it on a Dastek/Sun rolling road and post the 210bhp+ figure that'd produce ;-)
A 15bhp gain from cams and a remap is a fantastic result on an already high specific output naturaly aspirated engine package. Whats even better is that your car still retains 99% type approval in terms of cold start, OBD2 diagnostic etc. in fact I'd suspect it'd still very nearly get through Euro 4!!!!
Oh and I'm loving the fact it's still making nigh on 200bhp at 7500RPM
Cheers
M
cue the arguements now with that statement!!!
i said exactly the same to kev, on a slack RR it will be 10 up, peoples faces at that hey!!!
cant get over 200bhp and (over the scale) RPM.... brilliant!
According to that graph you've lost nearly 50PS i.e. 25% through the drivetrain. I'm sorry but thats just not possible. Based on your wheel figure of circa 152.5PS an approximate fly figure based on a 17% loss is 178.4bhp.
If anything I'd say that was low and you really should be seeing 181 - 186 bhp depending on how 'strong' your engine is.
Try a different rolling road!
Cheers
M
182
very good result there, if only mine did the same
One thing that sounds not nice is the low power gains from cams. 15 bhp gain from cams is not a big deal if you can get 8 to 10 bhp gains from RS Tuner' s standard map and even more with a custom one. So why take the hassle and go for a more difficult and more expensive path.
A nice decat, widened exhaust pipes, a good located cold air intake and properly matched inlets will already give you almost 30 bhp!
A nice decat, widened exhaust pipes, a good located cold air intake and properly matched inlets will already give you almost 30 bhp!
B/G 182 + PH1 Track
In dream land maybe....
