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Speakers - Educate me please.



Evening chaps

Looking to upgrade my stock speakers, was going to keep the oem headunit. But wanted better speakers,but have no idea on sizes and what make/model to get ?

Coaxial's at a guess ? 3 ways ?

Links would be great too if possible.

Want replacement items, dont want to have speaker pods or anything like that so the same size as stock basically.

Thanks in avdance

Justin.
 
pioneer ts-q131c i have just ordered some they are custom fit for the 197 not sure if there the same fit in the 182 which is what i guess you have got from your profile pic.
13cm in the front of the 197 think this will be the same in the 182/172

hope this helps
 
  172
fronts are components not co-ax's,tweeter is in the dash
size you are looking for is 13cm
if you want easy with added quality (but by no means the best) get the pioneer ts q131c
straight swap but still quite a shallow speaker so lacking in depth,from then on its down to personal preferences of tastes in music,the desired affect wanted,intentions in the future for scope for improving system,etc
 
  Storm Grey 200
Matt can you tell me a decent set of comp for like 70quid. Ideally with a bit more bass. Willing to make baffles etc but not amping
 
  172
Matt can you tell me a decent set of comp for like 70quid. Ideally with a bit more bass. Willing to make baffles etc but not amping

they jump from 70 up to 90+


boston s50 get good reviews as a good all-rounder at a cost of £94.99

pheonix gold r5.0 comp are more vocal orientated at the same cost

free delivery if paid up member


EDIT:

infinity 50.5cs at £89.99 are slightly lower in price and are again vocal focused

speakers are all down to personal taste though,i could ramble on about frequency responses,etc but it wont make a difference if not installed correctly or with added bits such as dynamat
 
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  Mental 172 Cup
i have a set of Vibe SA-50s that i had in my old car for like 2mins! im not putting them in my new car so will sell them if you are looking for some speakers! they can be used as either coax or component and sounds emmense :)
 

Ali

  V6, Trackhawk, GTS
i Still think uprated clio speakers sound s**t. I think it's got alot to do with the build quality of the car...

DOn't pretent to know much about audio but even a 3+ ICE system with a sub sounded s**t. Way too much base, still tinny...Give me a decent stock system anyday. BOSE/Harmon Karden/Logitec
 
  vaux cavalier
Just what are you trying to rectify by fitting uprated or better quality speakers ???

If your after more volume, then your wasting your time....
If your after better sound quality at higher volume, then your wasting your time....
If your after better sound quality at lower volume, then you may benefit, (slightly)....

I would say £20 spent on 'High Tack Flashing Tape' and a few hours sound deadening & sealing the front door cavities would yield better results than £70 spent on new speakers....( This course of action would give improved mid bass & an apparent gain in output volume )....
 
  Ph1 172 + Combo van
Get the direct fit pioneers and build some mdf baffles to mount them on, i put a guide in the guides section.
 
  SchwepTek™
Dude with a stock HU there is no point at all.

Just by changing the headunit, the standard speakers will sound 100000 times better.
 
  Never above 25mpg
My old 1.4 sounded great with my Sony headunit, speakers and Alpine speakers! Seriously considering getting all the same stuff for my 172.
All Halfrauds jobbies but did it ever so well.
 
  120d M Sport
Dude with a stock HU there is no point at all.

Just by changing the headunit, the standard speakers will sound 100000 times better.


Thats a good point...I thought I was just imagining it when I changed mine lol

The Alpine CDE-101RM would be a good upgrade as it lights up orange to match the backlight of the Clio dash
 
  vaux cavalier
The rated input power handling of a speaker has little or no bearing on output quality....

Output quality at any output level requires one main attribute, thats a good quality input signal....

You can spend £££s on speakers, but they can still only reproduce sound in accordance to the input signal they are receiving, improve the input signal quality & this in turn, will improve output quality....

Stock Head Units in comparison to cheap entry level units from the main brand leaders will always come a poor second in output quality....

The main brand leader with regards output quality & unit functionality over purchase cost at present is JVC....This brand at present offers the best value for money....

The level of installation also plays a huge part in output quality, a poorly installed set of expensive speakers will always under perform to the point where cheap speakers correctly installed will out perform them in most scenarios....

Audiophiles often state, 90% installation & 10% kit, so in theory at least, its not all about price or specialist brands, its about making the best of what you can afford....
 
  172
The rated input power handling of a speaker has little or no bearing on output quality....

Output quality at any output level requires one main attribute, thats a good quality input signal....

You can spend £££s on speakers, but they can still only reproduce sound in accordance to the input signal they are receiving, improve the input signal quality & this in turn, will improve output quality....

Stock Head Units in comparison to cheap entry level units from the main brand leaders will always come a poor second in output quality....

The main brand leader with regards output quality & unit functionality over purchase cost at present is JVC....This brand at present offers the best value for money....

The level of installation also plays a huge part in output quality, a poorly installed set of expensive speakers will always under perform to the point where cheap speakers correctly installed will out perform them in most scenarios....

Audiophiles often state, 90% installation & 10% kit, so in theory at least, its not all about price or specialist brands, its about making the best of what you can afford....

Trust this guy when he speaks. He knows more about car audio in his one finger than prolly all of us put together.
 
  RSC 182 Cup
I've done nothing more than replace the stock front speakers in my 182 with a set of Focal 6.5" splits (and faded the rears out completely.) The sound improvement is amazing, and I can get more volume out of the stock headunit- the reason being the size increase of the speaker cone (better low freq response) and the fact the Focal's have a high sensitivity (so they give more a higher dB volume level for the same power input.)

The stock speakers are utter rubbish. IMHO you'd be wasting your money if you replaced the HU and left the stock speakers in place.....

The sound quality between different head units will not vary as much as the sound quality from cheap speakers vs high end speakers. And the stock Renault speakers are some of the worst I've seen in a new car.
 
  172
I've done nothing more than replace the stock front speakers in my 182 with a set of Focal 6.5" splits (and faded the rears out completely.) The sound improvement is amazing, and I can get more volume out of the stock headunit- the reason being the size increase of the speaker cone (better low freq response) and the fact the Focal's have a high sensitivity (so they give more a higher dB volume level for the same power input.)

The stock speakers are utter rubbish. IMHO you'd be wasting your money if you replaced the HU and left the stock speakers in place.....

The sound quality between different head units will not vary as much as the sound quality from cheap speakers vs high end speakers. And the stock Renault speakers are some of the worst I've seen in a new car.

I think the 172 speakers are not bad for standard. I have had alot alot worse in other cars. I think it depends on what you want. Difference between different speakers is slight, noticable but still fairly slight. Amping the speakers is like day and night. No point in having good speakers with a dirty and clipped source. IMO of course.
 
  RSC 182 Cup
It will only clip if you turn it up too loud, but I can certainly turn the volume level up higher with the Focals than I could with the factory speakers.

Basically I've more bass, a lot clearer sound (particularly mid range and treble) and it is louder. A decent result for only a speaker change.
 
  vaux cavalier
It will only clip if you turn it up too loud, but I can certainly turn the volume level up higher with the Focals than I could with the factory speakers.

Basically I've more bass, a lot clearer sound (particularly mid range and treble) and it is louder. A decent result for only a speaker change.

G'day mate....(sorry, couldn't resist lol)....

OK, in your scenario you have both upgraded in terms of quality & cone area....

The increase in cone area alone will yield higher output, this is due to greater air movement....

The increase in both component quality & build quality will allow these units to run 'clean' or 'undistorted' further into 'clip' than the stock items....The output signal is still 'clipping', its just the Focals are better at handling it....

Stiffer cone material, stiffer or rather heavier cone suspension, tighter build tolerances are all aimed at reducing distortion at higher input power, but these factors also mask or hide 'clipping'....Just because you can't hear it, doesn't mean its not happening....

Its true the stock speakers may be distorting due to poor build quality rather than 'clip', but this wouldn't explain the increase in output quality & volume when switching to a higher quality, higher powered after market head unit....

You should remember the only way to toast a speaker is by too much power, the easiest route to too much power is 'clipping'....The extended periods spent at full power will rapidly cause excess heat within the voice coil, this heat, in turn, will cause the coil to deform, as the coil deforms it is more likely to short out....Deformed coil equates to scraping when cone is gently pressed inward, (can be felt & heard), shorted out coil equates to dead speaker or in worst case a seized solid cone....
 
  BMW M4; S1000 RR
I would get some components, you don't have to run an amp or crossover but they both help.

But generally a speaker built for midbass and a speaker build for high frequencies are going to perform a lot better than a speaker built to reproduce all sound (a 3 way) AND the OE tweeter.

I got some midbass speakers for my Clio and left the tweeters as they were, and with a standard headunit it improved the sound ten fold. Almost the kind of difference that upgrading to a £200 Alpine headunit made.
 
  Vibed loooowww 1.poo
vibe comps...caraudiosecurity.com ... have a look at the vibe range on their website, i'd go for the blackair range, perfect quality and reasonably priced.... pm me if u want mate
 
  RSC 182 Cup
Any links chaps ?
The most important thing (if you're not going to amp) is to check the sensitivity of the speaker. This determines their output volume level for a given input power. Normally it's given as a Decibel level (dB) measured at 1 metre from the speaker, for 1 Watt of input power. So you'll see something like 89dB@1W

You need to look for something with 92dB or higher. For every 3dB lower you will need TWICE the amplifier power to get the equivalent volume output. That's why (with careful speaker choice) you can easily get away with the stock HU and no amplifier.

Do a Google search for Focal 165 and you should find something. That should show up their 6.5" speakers which will fit with some mod work.
 
  Monaco 172 (02)
I think the standard speakers aren't to bad for what they are to be honest, but I do have a set of components and crossovers that I could fit but it's pointless with the standard headunit.

I really want to keep the standard Headunit, is there a way of amping the signal?
I worked in Halfrauds (the shame) and I remember it was possible somehow, dont think the quality was ever as good as an aftermarket though!

Basically keeping standard unit, whats the options?!
 
  #174
Hertz DSK 165's if you do the mod to fit bigger speakers. I was really impressed with these, quality of the speaker itself is good and they sounded just as good as my rainbow's costing over twice the price! About on your budget too. Seem to get good reviews on TA too.

If you want 13cm then have a look at the DSK 130's :)
 
  Mk2 172
I would get some components, you don't have to run an amp or crossover but they both help.

But generally a speaker built for midbass and a speaker build for high frequencies are going to perform a lot better than a speaker built to reproduce all sound (a 3 way) AND the OE tweeter.

I got some midbass speakers for my Clio and left the tweeters as they were, and with a standard headunit it improved the sound ten fold. Almost the kind of difference that upgrading to a £200 Alpine headunit made.

coax's are far better value for money at the cheaper end of the market.
Disconnect those hideous original tweetesr and get a decent set of coaxials.
And most vital of all over anything else is what wallop said... SOUND DEADENING!!!!
 
  Clio 182FF
I want to change mine too but want to keep the stock HU. It's the cabossa one or whatever (slightly more power i believe?) so would want some nice speakers to fit with that.
 


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