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Supercharge the 182 or get something else?
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My grip is brilliant, but the torque is sometimes too much for the tyres to take when nailing it - especially in the wet. During normal or even spirited cornering it doesn't feel any different to standard though.
An S/C'd Clio wouldn't develop as much torque so would probably be better if anything.
An S/C'd Clio wouldn't develop as much torque so would probably be better if anything.
ForceIndia
ClioSport Club Member
Gentlemans spec 200
Much as I love the clio's (clearly!), you can't compare fwd to rwd. Take a good example of either, and the rwd car will be more fun, more of a challenge, and take longer to master. You simply have less options with fwd.
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ForceIndia
ClioSport Club Member
Gentlemans spec 200
Wouldn't it need aftermarket management, losing tc?maz172cup said:
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Blk/Gold 182 FF
not sure if anyone has mentioned this car - wat about the MK4 golf r32 - a change for ya, plus if you want more power again in the near future with your new job pay rise, theres allways the option of a nice turbo on tha 
looking at atleast 300hhp plus - thats what i would do anyway lol
looking at atleast 300hhp plus - thats what i would do anyway lolwell iv driven the car with bodies and with charger. it seemed to be able to spin the wheels easier with the bodies than it does the charger.
so id say its about the same as standard tbh. but better with charger than bodies.
Daft daft money to spend IMO. The enjoyment in modding cars for me is doing it myself, getting my hands dirty and seeing the outcome of my own hard work. I hate the idea of handing 4k over just like that and getting the car back a week later. No sense of achievement, just a significantly lighter wallet and a 250bhp clio.
You seem to have pretty much made your mind up already, fair enough. Some very valid points floating about this thread though that are certainly worth thinking about.
If i was to get another 1*2 (which I probably will next year at some point), then any mods would be chassis related 100%. Tuning an F4R, or any higher output N/A engine is and always will be a mugs game IMO. Rediculous amounts of money for very little return. Spend it on suspension, brakes, whatever else, but just get some use out of the car; book a load of trackdays, go to the 'Ring, Spa/wherever. You'll have a lot more fun than you will with a quicker Clio.
It's not all about power, that's been proven time and time again, stick a decent driver in a boggo standard 172 and I assure you it'd trounce some of the F/I clio's on here with an average driver on any track you care to mention (Santa pod doesn't count!). And it's always the same, you soon get used to your car no matter how much power it has. If you supercharged it then you'd be used to the power in no time, I'm sure of it.
You seem to have pretty much made your mind up already, fair enough. Some very valid points floating about this thread though that are certainly worth thinking about.
If i was to get another 1*2 (which I probably will next year at some point), then any mods would be chassis related 100%. Tuning an F4R, or any higher output N/A engine is and always will be a mugs game IMO. Rediculous amounts of money for very little return. Spend it on suspension, brakes, whatever else, but just get some use out of the car; book a load of trackdays, go to the 'Ring, Spa/wherever. You'll have a lot more fun than you will with a quicker Clio.
It's not all about power, that's been proven time and time again, stick a decent driver in a boggo standard 172 and I assure you it'd trounce some of the F/I clio's on here with an average driver on any track you care to mention (Santa pod doesn't count!). And it's always the same, you soon get used to your car no matter how much power it has. If you supercharged it then you'd be used to the power in no time, I'm sure of it.
Chris205
ClioSport Club Member
Many Things
i'd rather do a euro trip over some famous race tracks including the 'ring' . Im sure after some good tuition, some properly set up suspension and brakes, you'll enjoy yourself driving fast around a circuit more than going fast in a straight line
Maybe think about cams as a cheaper option, will still return around 190 bhp which is still an improvement, and I imagine will be noticable on a circuit if thats what you're into
Maybe think about cams as a cheaper option, will still return around 190 bhp which is still an improvement, and I imagine will be noticable on a circuit if thats what you're into
R26
If i had the cash id love to get it done, but i dont, so i wont.
Theres some right boring people on here. You'd think it was a over 40's dads forum the way some folk talk where modding a Clio's concerned...
Hop over the the Ford forums and theres hundreds of folk spending thousands and thousands of pounds on 20 odd year old Ford Fiesta and Escorts a damn sight more than what folk are doing tuning at the higher level packages on here! You never hear any of their members rabbiting on about '' oh mate its not worth it, its a old Escort at the end of the day, why dont you buy a newer car etc etc etc ,,.......
Hop over the the Ford forums and theres hundreds of folk spending thousands and thousands of pounds on 20 odd year old Ford Fiesta and Escorts a damn sight more than what folk are doing tuning at the higher level packages on here! You never hear any of their members rabbiting on about '' oh mate its not worth it, its a old Escort at the end of the day, why dont you buy a newer car etc etc etc ,,.......
Didnt it make like 200hp?
I dare you to
Not really. I'm all for modding Clios, just not spending 4k on the engine of one. 20, no kids FYI.
TrackCar & F30 330d
Gosh Whiteley wrote an essay
But imo he has it down to a tea. Took me 2 days of hard graft to fit ITB's to my 182, cuts, burses the lot. But the feeling i had when i turned it over and it splutted into life is amazing.
Doing the work on your own car is amazing so if you can ITB it your self, buy coilovers Tyres & brakes and spend the rest of your bonus enjoying it on track
Folk spend a grand on Recaros Treds, 1k on replacement wheels and tyres for what? Something doing exaclty the same job as the item it replaced.
4k is a lot of money but you buy a Clio for 2k, spend 4k on a conversion and in the grand sceme of it and the evidence we have on video your getting a hell of a ride for the cash !
Lol. What they going to do? Jump out the monitor and kill me like in the film the Ring?
The internetz is serious jamie.
They will all gang up on you and tell you your wrong.
Be afraid, be very afraid.
Is this thread still going?
They will all gang up on you and tell you your wrong.
Be afraid, be very afraid.
Is this thread still going?
Sunflower Yellow Ph1 172
Getting used to it will be down to how much power to weight you have, i had a clio mrk 1 valver but with a r5 gtt 1.4 turbo lump, 810kg 200bhp, there is no way you could get used to that, the power delivery was savage, yeah it was turbo so the power band was small and high up but im sure a supercharged clio wouldnt be far off if you got the weight down on it.
Admittedly most of the fun was in building the car and fixing stuff pikey style when it went wrong but if you get your hands dirty on your car on other parts except the engine im sure you will get the same sort of satisfaction.
Sometimes you just get attached to a car so its understandable that you would want to mod your one rather than trade in for a bigger, heavier, more powerful car. I will prob go down the same route at some point, couldnt face selling my sunflower ph1 172.
Admittedly most of the fun was in building the car and fixing stuff pikey style when it went wrong but if you get your hands dirty on your car on other parts except the engine im sure you will get the same sort of satisfaction.
Sometimes you just get attached to a car so its understandable that you would want to mod your one rather than trade in for a bigger, heavier, more powerful car. I will prob go down the same route at some point, couldnt face selling my sunflower ph1 172.
Tiger R6 / Saxo Vts
If you will have the money and you like the Clio then go for it.
I've driven a 300bhp Focus ST and didn't think it was all that - you sit too high in it, and it just feels too big and heavy. Yes it is quick once moving in a straight line, but it's almost too smooth - so lacking in excitement for me.
MEG R26 gets good reviews, but still going to be bigger then a 182 so don't think you'd feel like you were going as quick as you would in the 182 (once supercharged)
Foucs RS mk 1 not a bad idea especially if going on track - bit smaller then the others and they look awesome. Only had a quick drive of one and the main thing I noticed was how aggressive the diff was.
I had a VX220 2.2 (non turbo) and it was just an experience everytime I went out in it - I'd have the roof off however cold it was as long as nothing was falling from the sky. It's much quicker off the line then the 182 (I had one just before it) due to the awesome traction off the line, but on a dual carriageway there was very little in it compared to my mates 172 cup. If you could afford a turbo, or pick up a supercharged VX 2.2 (there are a few appearing now) it'd be a great car. Don't think they're that hard to live with, I drove mine all winter - just the heater is weak.
Personally I'm looking at selling my Cooper S and get an MX5 (mk 2 1.8) and either turbo or supercharge it for track work next year. Fcuk the image, I'll just take the abuse from mates for the rear wheel drive and convertible aspect.
I've driven a 300bhp Focus ST and didn't think it was all that - you sit too high in it, and it just feels too big and heavy. Yes it is quick once moving in a straight line, but it's almost too smooth - so lacking in excitement for me.
MEG R26 gets good reviews, but still going to be bigger then a 182 so don't think you'd feel like you were going as quick as you would in the 182 (once supercharged)
Foucs RS mk 1 not a bad idea especially if going on track - bit smaller then the others and they look awesome. Only had a quick drive of one and the main thing I noticed was how aggressive the diff was.
I had a VX220 2.2 (non turbo) and it was just an experience everytime I went out in it - I'd have the roof off however cold it was as long as nothing was falling from the sky. It's much quicker off the line then the 182 (I had one just before it) due to the awesome traction off the line, but on a dual carriageway there was very little in it compared to my mates 172 cup. If you could afford a turbo, or pick up a supercharged VX 2.2 (there are a few appearing now) it'd be a great car. Don't think they're that hard to live with, I drove mine all winter - just the heater is weak.
Personally I'm looking at selling my Cooper S and get an MX5 (mk 2 1.8) and either turbo or supercharge it for track work next year. Fcuk the image, I'll just take the abuse from mates for the rear wheel drive and convertible aspect.
Golf GTD Mk7
interesting that. must be how it delivers the power? Obviously in the wet it won't be great, but the 1*2s standard need to have their throttle feathered to keep traction anyway.
Golf GTD Mk7
Have to agree. my mate had the 2.2 and it was amazing setting off, and cornering would abuse the clio, but once rolling there isn't much in it at all. Plus the engine struggles high end and the front becomes a little too light at high speed.lol.
Sir_Dave
ClioSport Trader
I love FWD, & can probably peddle far quicker in it, but RWD offers a far greater challenge for me. As such i find it considerably more rewarding when looking for that ultimate drive.
The OP needs to experience a good rwd car, like a £8k Elise or M3, then consider whether a Clio 182, even one with a £4k supercharger, will give the same level of involvement.
Although tbh, i think his mind is already made up
182, SQ7, Trafic
Not really any extra wheelspin, in this weather around 5k when the torque
really comes in it spins, but in the dry it grips and grips! As good as a normal 1*2.
See above!
I've driven an Elise around Hethel, and you can't compare the two. Very different cars! The Elise handles brilliantly, but it will bite when you push it a little bit too hard, but even then its hard to get to that limit!
I can't believe how childish some people are being in this topic.
Also @Whiteley, I'd rather pay the £4k to have it fitted as the parts costs isn't far off that anyway (+mapping which you need anyway) Why do it yourself when its virtually a free fitting cost!
Considering there are only a few SC Clios on here, there are a lot of blind opinions TBH.
I'd have to disagree on it costing anywhere close to 4k in bits. No chance. But you carry on thinking that :star:
182, SQ7, Trafic
I can get TV's, BluRay Players, Projectors, Sealey tools and all sorts at a fraction of the price. Its always about who you know not what you know, swings and roundabouts at the end of the day!
I'm not bothered at the price I paid.
And as for getting dirty, its the first thing I have let some else do on the car everything else is done by me!
I'm not bothered at the price I paid.
And as for getting dirty, its the first thing I have let some else do on the car everything else is done by me!
I love FWD, & can probably peddle far quicker in it, but RWD offers a far greater challenge for me. As such i find it considerably more rewarding when looking for that ultimate drive.
The OP needs to experience a good rwd car, like a £8k Elise or M3, then consider whether a Clio 182, even one with a £4k supercharger, will give the same level of involvement.
Although tbh, i think his mind is already made up
elise............i s**t em.....lol
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R26
The OP needs to experience a good rwd car, like a £8k Elise or M3, then consider whether a Clio 182, even one with a £4k supercharger, will give the same level of involvement.
Although tbh, i think his mind is already made up
Although I'd love something like an M3 or a good elise (I've had a look and could only see the k series engine'd ones for my budget) what people keep forgetting is that I will want to do quite a few track days.
All the alternative cars mentioned (or most) would cost a fortune to do trackdays with. Brake parts for an M3! I bet that aint cheap!
A supercharged clio is still a clio, and will cost exactly the same on track, which is more than manageable for me.
Thanks for the continued advise though, im still not 100% though.
ForceIndia
ClioSport Club Member
Gentlemans spec 200
A sorted e36 328 sport would be a better spend. I just don't see the point/fun in a more powerful Clio. I'd rather learn to drive the thing fast, the straights are no fun even in a powerful car. Great for pub talk, but it won't make the car more fun. Which is why I've spent close to bugger all on engine mods (rstuner, v6 airbox to replace the viper it came with).
How many track days have you done?
How many track days have you done?
lol....that was owner of the car i was driving.....link appears to be broken on youtube for some reason...
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/clio-williams-chases_64513.htm
182, SQ7, Trafic
Have you driven a Super/Turbo Charged Clio?
What if you already know how to drive fast?
The car is a lot more fun, the clio is quick around corners and not bad in a straight line as a standard car! It misses the straight line speed. By doing a big engine modification like this you gain that extra power for straight line speed!
ForceIndia
ClioSport Club Member
Gentlemans spec 200
No fella. But it would have to be a biblical improvment to convince me it was worth £4k. It won't improve the handling, and that's where my priorities lie.
And it would be naive for me to ever consider that my driving couldn't be improved.
Danny, unfortunatley your in the minority here, Very few people on the forum have driven a genuine 200bhp+ clio so very few understand the fun factor involved of having a humble clio that punches well above its weight.
It really does come down to what floats your boat, I love having a powerfull unique hot hatch and can honestly say that looking at m3, evo's,sti's etc... does nothing for me it's all been done a million times before and the number you see every time you go out just makes me think I made the right choice keeping mine.
As for all these suggestions about getting a RWD car because there so much more involving to drive, try riding a bike quickly and see what true involvment is.
It really does come down to what floats your boat, I love having a powerfull unique hot hatch and can honestly say that looking at m3, evo's,sti's etc... does nothing for me it's all been done a million times before and the number you see every time you go out just makes me think I made the right choice keeping mine.
As for all these suggestions about getting a RWD car because there so much more involving to drive, try riding a bike quickly and see what true involvment is.
i think the vid of jons car vs the masa is enough to prove that it IS a biblical improvement over standard tbh.
no it wont improve the handling, but to get a decent set up of coilies etc your looking at nigh on 2 grand anyway
so if you add a charger to the susp set up + the car youd be looking at somewhere near the £10k mark, to get a car that would beat it in std form, as most seem to be suggesting with the m3s etc, youd be looking at at least double that figure.
