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The Clio 182 is finally here!



  BMW 120i Sport


182 with cup chassis/spoilers in Silver arrived today.

Probably the best car ive ever driven, really well built and absolutely packed with features (xenons/climate control/cruise control etc). It handles like a dream, corners like a go kart and jesus christ its bloody fast!

The beauty of it is that you can have a sensible drive around town, its not too rawkus, not too twitchy; but when you gas it its very quick up to 4500 rpm when it comes on cam then it fcking explodes with performance!

What a bloody good car (cost me £12500 fully loaded), no wonder Evo loved it so much.

[Edited by Big G on 12/2/2004 5:00:35 PM]
 
  BMW 120i Sport


I tell people about it (including other car enthusiasts) and they say "ahh yeah, but its French" - no offence, but what does that mean and so fking what if its French?

I appreciate the older ones werent the best but the 182 interior seems to be just as nice inside and screwed down as my siss Type R. Infact, I think its nicer cos of the alcantara and the fact its a nice dark shade of grey.

I like it standard, but what options are there for chipping it? I looked on the superchips website and they had a chip for "172/180" (presume they mean 182).

http://www.superchips.co.uk/curves/cliosport.pdf
 
  VaVa


Nice one.... looking forward to getting mine...... Glad you like it....

Oh, and PMSL @ "really well built".....
 


Quote: Originally posted by Big G on 02 December 2004

I tell people about it (including other car enthusiasts) and they say "ahh yeah, but its French" - no offence, but what does that mean and so fking what if its French?

I appreciate the older ones werent the best but the 182 interior seems to be just as nice inside and screwed down as my siss Type R. Infact, I think its nicer cos of the alcantara and the fact its a nice dark shade of grey.

I like it standard, but what options are there for chipping it? I looked on the superchips website and they had a chip for "172/180" (presume they mean 182).

http://www.superchips.co.uk/curves/cliosport.pdfhttp://www.superchips.co.uk/curves/cliosport.pdf



dont bother with a chip get a piggyback ecu like a dastec unichip or an smt6/7
 
  BMW 120i Sport


Quote: Originally posted by lagerlout1 on 02 December 2004Nice one.... looking forward to getting mine...... Glad you like it....Oh, and PMSL @ "really well built".....


Well, its not Audi well built, but its a damn sight better than the Fiesta Zetec-S I had before. ;)
 
  BMW 120i Sport


Quote: Originally posted by Loony on 02 December 2004
dont bother with a chip get a piggyback ecu like a dastec unichip or an smt6/7


Got a URL/link for that? What sort of gains do chips see?
 


Big G - Did you get some discount being you paid £12500?

I ordered a 182 + both cup packs and 6 CD for £13500 (no i.d. paint) asked the dealer for all the discounts he could sort me!?

Lost a grand!!! :mad: :(
 


Quote: Originally posted by Big G on 02 December 2004


Quote: Originally posted by Loony on 02 December 2004


dont bother with a chip get a piggyback ecu like a dastec unichip or an smt6/7


Got a URL/link for that? What sort of gains do chips see?




for smt6/7 have a chat with Andy or Ben at GDI/AWK as for unichip best do a search on google. chips arent the best because of the characteristics of the 172/182 engine chips seem to not fuel correctly at all points of the rev range. the piggyback ecus are more tuneable and when set up properly on a RR will see better power gains and safer fuelling than chips
 
  BMW 120i Sport


Quote: Originally posted by subliminaljay on 02 December 2004
Big G - Did you get some discount being you paid £12500?

I ordered a 182 + both cup packs and 6 CD for £13500 (no i.d. paint) asked the dealer for all the discounts he could sort me!?

Lost a grand!!! :mad: :(


I ordered it from Motorprovider.co.uk, so the car is an import - but i dont care really!
 
  MINI JCW


Congrats Big G, I picked mine up last thurs, still makes me smile, Im driving it steady till engine warms then i have the odd blast

I test drove one in silver, but went for arctic blue with both cup packs

the 182 is quality
 
  fat 182


got mine a week and a bit ago from a renault dealer with the cup packs and the stripes for 12400 its amazing what they will do when you tell them you will go and buy it some were else and walk off !

the sales man phoned me 10 minutes after leaving with that price
 


dazraffan - Bloody hell. I ordered a 182 with cup packs stripes and the cheapest he could do was £13500!?

Grrrrrrrrrrrrr
 
  BMW 120i Sport


Alright John, audio staying standard cant be bothered dismantling it all and fitting anything special at the moment - i dont drive for long enough to listen to lots of music, prefer listening to the rasp of the 182s exhaust at the mo ;).

Im gonna hand the Fez back in February.
 
  182


dazraffen thats a bit too cheap mate where was this dealership lets get down there

i picked mine up for 11998 and only 3 months old just getting worn in now and flying althought the power and speed catchs a lot of old people out and they love a good old cut up dont there
 


Dont get a piggyback such as a dastek.



Go for a std ecu remap.... not sure if these have filterd through to the clio world yet but when they do you wont look back!
 


Quote: Originally posted by Timbob on 03 December 2004


Dont get a piggyback such as a dastek.

can i enquire why ?



Go for a std ecu remap.... not sure if these have filterd through to the clio world yet but when they do you wont look back!

yes they have but you dont get the same kind of control on the tuning from this that you do from the piggyback. the 172/182 is a pain to fuel right and one of the guys on here had his set up by a tuner and the fuelling was all over the place and resulted in the engine cooking itself.
 


Granted certain things dont work well between different makes and models, but my mapping guy works for porsche, japanese tuners etc etc, mainly in motorsport. Essentially any car he can do.



I dont want this to turn into an argument as i dont have any proof of it working on clios. From past experience dasteks arent the way for mapping a car. A std ecu can pretty much do everything a dastek can do, cope with extra injectors etc etc but the difference is your not adding something to your car that can go wrong break etc etc

Wayne at chipwizards is the person to speak to if you want your car mapped.
 


As has been discussed before, Dasteks are not the ideal solution.

They are essentially fooling the car into altering its fuelling and igniton characteristics rather than working from the raw ingredients used by the manufacturer and researched at a cost of millions.

Fitting a Dastek Unichip also involves adding extra electrical connections and extra hardware which can go wrong.
Although they are far from the worst solution in the tuning world, allowing a map tuned to your car and the advantages gained from that, the points above are still valid. No other solution was freely available, until recently.

Wayne offers re-mapping of standard ECUs, a neat solution involving no extra hardware, that is undetactable by the manufacturers garages. It allows the map to be tailored to the exact car and the exact modifications on the rollers both under load and off throttle + it allows rev limits to be changed so that the power extracted by the new map is useable.

This has already been a massive success with many NA cammed cars, which were able to produce the power they always promised.

Boosted applications can also be mapped in the same way, albeit with uprated parts such as a fuel pump and larger injectors.
 


mapping is cheaper and easier, a piggyback gives you more options and control but costs more and is more hassle to fit than plugging a laptop into a diagnostic port. then the most costly but best option for highly tuned is a stand alone ecu for the fuelling and timing etc the likes of omex and motec.
 


the VAG cars in particular the 1.8t engines respond well to remaps but the clio does not hence the need for the smt6/7 or unichip route. freds turbod megane hybrid lump is getting an omex standalone ecu to sort the running out.
 


But stand alone cost inexcess of £1000 inc roller time.



A std ecu remap cost the same as a dastek which has raised the argument of why get a std ecu remap when you can have a dastek... AND actually get a little box. Which IMO is the worst argument for dasteks ive ever heard lol.



I understand there will always be people for and against everything but there is no harm in making people aware of alternatives :)





This is a quote from wayne himself



"A factory ECU, suitably mapped, is better in all ways than any piggy back option. Fact. Dont bother to argue, you will not win. With it you can alter the rev limit, which is often not an option with Dastek, you can alter the idle speed (which I now do as a matter of course with cammed 16v Pug/Saxo motors having had the odd complaint of idle quality), the fuelling, the advance, often you can even alter the sesitivity of the knock control circuitry for when your motor has very short and noisy pistons, you can even alter the cam timing in some cases; you retain absolutely stock wiring and componentry which makes fault finding just as simple with a modified car as it is with a stock one. The stock diagnosis system remains unaffected. The wiring is not touched and will be just as reliable as always.
In contrast to this, with a piggy back, is extra wiring with colours un-known to your local garage and main dealer alike, which do not appear on the autodata wiring diagrams disc, and with soldered joints causing the wires to corrode due to the caustic flux and go brittle due to the solder wicking up the wire, and with wire gauges way smaller than stock which, while able to manage the small currents encountered, are inadequate in terms of mechanical strength. Cover it all in nasty sticky tape and no-one will see, until it breaks that is.
OK, if you want to get a couple of quid for your Dastek on e-bay when you put your car back to stock (I can only imagine because you are sick of reliability problems brought about poor, corroded wiring) then why dont you just send me an e-mail as I have a bin assigned to old Dasteks removed in order to do the job properly. You want them? I dont!
Ask any specialist mapping concern and see what they tell you about them.
My cars have won 5 championships this year alone. Nuff said. Ask Dastek about Subarus..... see if they supply a dustpan and brush to sweep up the broken bits....its a sore point I understand..."
 


trust me the renault is different (have spoken to a large well respected VAG tuner about this in the past), apparently the smart is the same hence its easier to get better results from a piggyback system on the clio. yes it is possible to remap them but its easier to go down the piggyback route on renaults/172/182s
 
  EK9 + Mfactory gearing..


..hey BigG its early days as uv just got ur 182! wait til its fully run in then look at ur tuning options. im sure there are those on the forum that have had both options done ecu wise...so they wil lbe able to tell u (wether u do just the ecu or other modifications as well as) congrats on ur nu french car btw :cool:
 


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