The Power PC Thread [f*ck off consoles]

[charltjr]

Nice, it’s even a bit less long than my 3070, although slightly thicker.

Cable management is for weirdos

Pretty chungus heatsink on it!

The bottom of the case is mesh and it’s raised off the floor so I’ve got a nice bottom to top airflow going on. Loving the small PC game.

 

[Daz...]

Cable management is for weirdos

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I must be weird because that makes me feel uneasy.

 

[Wilkeh]

Jesus wept I wouldn't be able to sleep at night if that was mine

 

[charltjr]

There's a reason I don't have a glass side panel on it.

It worries me not a jot, it's not going anywhere and there's tons of airflow. Sure, I could tidy it up by trying to route it all underneath the motherboard tray but it's not a show pony. It's just an unobtrusive little PC with no RGB or anything which sits under my desk and plays five year old games on a brand new 4070.

Hmmmmm. I might want to look at some more modern games

 

[Mr Squashie]

Hmmmmm. I might want to look at some more modern games

If you don't care about graphics and you love loading screens you could give Starfield a go.

Or if you want a game where every frame looks like a pre rendered piece of digital art, try Cyberpunk.

One of these games was running at less than 20fps and the other was running at about 90. I'll let you guess which is which 🤣

 

[R3k1355]

Jesus is that what Starfield really looks like?

Did they make it 15 years ago and just forget to release it?

 

[Mr Squashie]

Jesus is that what Starfield really looks like?

Did they make it 15 years ago and just forget to release it?

Modded Skyrim looks and runs better, they should have just asked the modding community to make a sci-fi version for them.

 

[Wilkeh]

There's a reason I don't have a glass side panel on it.

It worries me not a jot, it's not going anywhere and there's tons of airflow. Sure, I could tidy it up by trying to route it all underneath the motherboard tray but it's not a show pony. It's just an unobtrusive little PC with no RGB or anything which sits under my desk and plays five year old games on a brand new 4070.

Hmmmmm. I might want to look at some more modern games

Haha fair enough mate

PC is great though! Enjoy

 

[Ray Gin]

If you don't care about graphics and you love loading screens you could give Starfield a go.
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If someone told me this was a screenshot from an old PS4 game, I’d believe them. That looks shite

 

[R3k1355]

Modded Skyrim looks and runs better, they should have just asked the modding community to make a sci-fi version for them.

I get the feeling the new game engine they are using for it isn't particularly new or revolutionary. It doesn't look particularly great for the next Elder Scrolls game.

 

[SharkyUK]

I think Starfield looks pretty decent considering the scope and ambition of the game. You aren't going to get Cyberpunk levels of fidelity on a game that is so open-ended, and Bethesda's evolved game engine hasn't benefitted from a ground-up re-engineering effort to deliver cutting-edge visuals. They can't just swap such a massive game to another engine either; it's too expensive and time-consuming. I think the game has delivered pretty well initially and will no doubt benefit from future patches and input from the modding community. It could do with some performance tweaks, and the UI is pretty dire, but it gets a thumbs up from me (including the visuals).

 

[Mr Squashie]

I think Starfield looks pretty decent considering the scope and ambition of the game. You aren't going to get Cyberpunk levels of fidelity on a game that is so open-ended, and Bethesda's evolved game engine hasn't benefitted from a ground-up re-engineering effort to deliver cutting-edge visuals. They can't just swap such a massive game to another engine either; it's too expensive and time-consuming. I think the game has delivered pretty well initially and will no doubt benefit from future patches and input from the modding community. It could do with some performance tweaks, and the UI is pretty dire, but it gets a thumbs up from me (including the visuals).

I would agree with you if it wasn't filled with loading screens. I could even look past the fact you can't even take off or land on a planet, if every elevator or entrance to buildings didn't trigger a loading screen. Their engine is ancient and really needs to be taken out back and shot. Relying on the modding community to try and make their game playable is such a bizarre way to make games. Sure, support mods in your game if you want, but at least release a half decent game first 😂

And let's not get started on the classic Bethesda "features" that have somehow stuck around since Oblivion.

Weirdly it actually looks better during gameplay than it does in screenshots, it's just a shame it runs like s**t and is the exact opposite of an open world experience.

Can't say enough good things about Cyberpunk though, it's the most "next-gen" looking game I've ever played. It's an absolute game changer imo, just a shame it released with so many bugs because visually it's incredible, and runs incredibly well.

 

[Mr Squashie]

You aren't going to get Cyberpunk levels of fidelity on a game from Bethesda

😏

 

[R3k1355]

Yes Cyberpunk looks great, but before that RDR2 also looked fantastic, and that did it on much older technology.
Both are large open-world games, totally separate engine, developer and everything.

Graphics aren't the be all and end all, but IMO the bar has been set by existing titles, and if you're going to release a AAA game, charging premium money, this is what people expect.

If Rockstar can do this, on an out of date console, 5 years ago, I don't wanna hear Bethesda say they can't do better.

 

[R3k1355]

Anyone wondering why your graphics card is still so expensive, maybe the French will have an answer for you soon, considering they raided Nvidia last week.

Why is France raiding a graphics card company?

A raid by French authorities of the offices of a technology firm named as Nvidia in media reports is the latest among a string of such actions by European regulators as they look to check the dominance of Big Tech companies from thwarting competition.

www.reuters.com

 

[SharkyUK]

Weirdly it actually looks better during gameplay than it does in screenshots, it's just a shame it runs like s**t and is the exact opposite of an open world experience.

Oh yeah, I forgot how well Cyberpunk ran out of the box within a week or two of its launch. So well, in fact, that Sony even decided to pull it from retail as it was so good... (I'm not hating on Cyberpunk, I absolutely love the game and its tech).

I get you're not a fan of Starfield. We'll have to agree to disagree; I do think they've released a half-decent game. The loading screens are annoying, yeah, but a few seconds every now and then isn't the end of the world. Cyberpunk wouldn't be half as good scaled up in magnitude to a universe the size of Starfield's.

Yes Cyberpunk looks great, but before that RDR2 also looked fantastic, and that did it on much older technology.
Both are large open-world games, totally separate engine, developer and everything.

Graphics aren't the be all and end all, but IMO the bar has been set by existing titles, and if you're going to release a AAA game, charging premium money, this is what people expect.

If Rockstar can do this, on an out of date console, 5 years ago, I don't wanna hear Bethesda say they can't do better.

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The RAGE engine isn't much older tech, has benefitted from a lot more internal investment, and a much higher developer count, and wasn't thrown together from inherited bits of tech that they were forced to use almost 15/20 years ago. The RAGE engine has always been in a much better place and is a great engine. Bethesda, despite the buyout and backings, etc. haven't had the time or free rein to properly re-engineer their Creation Engine to the level they had hoped (in my opinion) and that's why they are kind of locked into what they have. In an ideal world, Bethesda would be given 5-6 years time out to rework the engine or to look to move to another engine entirely... but that's simply not going to happen these days.

Yes, I see Starfield as a Triple-A/premium title and has been priced as such. I think that's another area where we probably disagree. I don't think it's priced badly at all. Considering I'm going to be getting a hundred hours plus EASILY out of this game it's not exactly expensive. I have a good idea of what goes into a game and the costs and, although it's not going to be a popular opinion, I think the cost of games and game subscriptions is an absolute bargain these days to be honest.

 

[Mr Squashie]

Oh yeah, I forgot how well Cyberpunk ran out of the box within a week or two of its launch. So well, in fact, that Sony even decided to pull it from retail as it was so good... (I'm not hating on Cyberpunk, I absolutely love the game and its tech).

Haha you're right, maybe we're the idiots for expecting games to actually work these days 😂

I don't actually mind Starfield, it's just disappointing to see how bad the performance is compared to the visual fidelity that's delivered. I can understand why a game like Star Citizen runs poorly because it's extremely detailed and the environments are vast, but that game has its own issues and will probably never be finished.

Starfield looks "fine", but if I'm going to be stuck playing at 30fps I want it to look like the f**king Sistine Chapel, not Fallout 4 with some mods

 

[SharkyUK]

Haha you're right, maybe we're the idiots for expecting games to actually work these days 😂

Even less chance of that, mate... Games are so complex these days that there will always be niggles. Admittedly, some games should not be released in the state they are though... but that is largely dictated by publishers and deadlines/bean collectors. Honestly, the developers hate having to release a substandard product. Every single game I've worked on was rushed through to release and that goes back to my first in the 1990s. And it's why I get annoyed when the developers get blamed as 95% of the time it is out of their hands and why my perspective is, perhaps, a bit different to those of the gamer. As much as I love gaming, I will always be coming at it from the game developer side of things than as the game player!

Starfield looks "fine", but if I'm going to be stuck playing at 30fps I want it to look like the f**king Sistine Chapel, not Fallout 4 with some mods

LMFAO! Slideshow Simulator 2023 is what you want. It doubles-up as a screensaver so absolutely worth the £59.99 asking price...

 

[Mr Squashie]

Is it even worth playing a game in 2023 if it doesn't have physical cum projectiles? 🤔

 

[SharkyUK]

A bit of a long shot... but is anybody interested in my old nVidia RTX 3090 GPU? It's an ASUS ROG STRIX OC Edition. Looking for £850 including P&P within the mainland UK. It's only seen light gaming duties and still has a warranty until mid-August 2024. Obviously meticulously looked after and cleaned regularly.

It's a big card and requires a fair bit of space and a decent PSU to power it (3x PCI-E 8-pin connectors). Let me know if you are interested, or know someone who is.

 

[McGherkin]

Do you accept kidneys?

 

[SharkyUK]

Do you accept kidneys?

Unfortunately, my kidney inventory is already at full quota.

 

[N0ddie]

A bit of a long shot... but is anybody interested in my old nVidia RTX 3090 GPU? It's an ASUS ROG STRIX OC Edition. Looking for £850 including P&P within the mainland UK. It's only seen light gaming duties and still has a warranty until mid-August 2024. Obviously meticulously looked after and cleaned regularly.

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It's a big card and requires a fair bit of space and a decent PSU to power it (3x PCI-E 8-pin connectors). Let me know if you are interested, or know someone who is.

In my view, still the nicest looking GPU out there.

 

[charltjr]

Does that actually come with a ruler to measure your e-penis with?

 

[Wilkeh]

A bit of a long shot... but is anybody interested in my old nVidia RTX 3090 GPU? It's an ASUS ROG STRIX OC Edition. Looking for £850 including P&P within the mainland UK. It's only seen light gaming duties and still has a warranty until mid-August 2024. Obviously meticulously looked after and cleaned regularly.

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It's a big card and requires a fair bit of space and a decent PSU to power it (3x PCI-E 8-pin connectors). Let me know if you are interested, or know someone who is.

I paid £1500 for my 3080 Ti from Scan. Mental how prices go, these were £2k then!

 

[SharkyUK]

I paid £1500 for my 3080 Ti from Scan. Mental how prices go, these were £2k then!

Yeah, prices were crazy. I paid £2699.99 for the 3090... 😢

 

[Cookie]

Yeah, prices were crazy. I paid £2699.99 for the 3090... 😢

I hope you got a decent amount of work out of it 😮

 

[Mr Squashie]

Yeah, prices were crazy. I paid £2699.99 for the 3090... 😢

I remember hammering the refresh button when the 3080 launched and watched it instantly be out of stock without even having the chance to add one to basket, then I saw the price the partner cards were in retailers when they came out and decided I didn't need a new GPU after all. It's only recently I've been considering upgrading again. Those were crazy times!

 

[SharkyUK]

I remember hammering the refresh button when the 3080 launched and watched it instantly be out of stock without even having the chance to add one to basket, then I saw the price the partner cards were in retailers when they came out and decided I didn't need a new GPU after all. It's only recently I've been considering upgrading again. Those were crazy times!

I had two 3090s pre-ordered and ready to buy on release day and Lloyds Bank froze my card payment as I was going through the checkout! I couldn't immediately verify with my bank as I was contracting away at the time and I lost my two pre-order cards... hence I then had to wait months for stock and ultimately had to pay the stupid price to get one. Damn you Covid, miners, etc.

 

[SharkyUK]

Just in case anyone is interested, my 3090 is up for sale in the relevant forum section:

https://cliosport.net/threads/asus-rog-strix-geforce-rtx-3090-oc-edition-nvidia-gpu.847943/#post-12482047

Siblings.

Over £4.5k just in these two GPUs. Honestly, it's ridiculous. And yet we still continue to buy them. I'm lucky that I can use them for work and they make the money back, but it still boggles the mind and it still hurts clicking the "buy" button.

I'm also looking to upgrade the other major components of my system, too - CPU, mobo, RAM. Cars and PCs... what a combination.

 

[N0ddie]

Just in case anyone is interested, my 3090 is up for sale in the relevant forum section:

https://cliosport.net/threads/asus-rog-strix-geforce-rtx-3090-oc-edition-nvidia-gpu.847943/#post-12482047

Siblings.

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Over £4.5k just in these two GPUs. Honestly, it's ridiculous. And yet we still continue to buy them. I'm lucky that I can use them for work and they make the money back, but it still boggles the mind and it still hurts clicking the "buy" button.

I'm also looking to upgrade the other major components of my system, too - CPU, mobo, RAM. Cars and PCs... what a combination.

They definitely went the wrong way (design/looks wise) on the 4000 lineup. I actually think the TUF looks better than the STRIX this time around.

 

[R3k1355]

Ebuyer Express on eBay are back with some deals.

MSI 4070 £535

Plait 4070Ti £680

XFX 7800XT £490

As before add the item to your basket and in the checkout use the coupon code TECHDEAL10

 

[Rojer]

Got a weird issue with my new to me 3070 and hopefully someone can help. I have set the fan curve using MSI afterburner, but when gaming the fans seem to ignore it. If you look at the image below it shows the fans ramping up and down in game, but the fan speed in the same graph is showing 75%. I booted into safe mode and removed the drivers completely and reinstalled, but something doesn't seem right.

 

[Daz...]

This is what I use to control all of my fans.

Home - Fan Control

Fan Control is a free software that allows the user to control his CPU, GPU and case fans using temperatures.

getfancontrol.com

 

[Mr Squashie]

Got a weird issue with my new to me 3070 and hopefully someone can help. I have set the fan curve using MSI afterburner, but when gaming the fans seem to ignore it. If you look at the image below it shows the fans ramping up and down in game, but the fan speed in the same graph is showing 75%. I booted into safe mode and removed the drivers completely and reinstalled, but something doesn't seem right.

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Have you tried updating or reinstalling Afterburner?

 

[SharkyUK]

An ASUS ROG Strix 3090 OC would fix that, mate... 🤣 Seriously, I'd try a different fan control app and see if that works.

 

[Rojer]

I'm not sure its the fan control to be honest, I'm thinking there could be an issue with the card. When running cyberpunk for example I'm sitting around 80-85 degrees which seems pretty hot to me, but people seem to think that's normal. Not sure if the temp sensor is maybe dodgy or maybe it needs fresh thermal paste. It has a switch for two bios (silent and OC) they don't seem to make a difference either. I have already switched three of my fans around to be intake instead of exhaust, maybe i need to move one directly below the GPU.

 

[Daz...]

What model 3070 is it because my 3070Ti has never got even close to 80°C.

 

[Rojer]

Gigabyte Gaming OC 8GB. I have uninstalled Afterburner, set the fan speed to 85% fixed with Fan Control. Fired up a game and when it gets into the mid 80s the fans start ramping again

 

[Mr Squashie]

Gigabyte Gaming OC 8GB. I have uninstalled Afterburner, set the fan speed to 85% fixed with Fan Control. Fired up a game and when it gets into the mid 80s the fans start ramping again

Probably a silly question, but have you checked the fans are physically spinning. You mentioned only 2 of the fans are reporting their speed, is the third one spinning and not reporting, or is it just sat doing nothing?