The Power PC Thread [f*ck off consoles]

[SharkyUK]

So.... in my mind, 990>980>970? That the case? All 2tb all pretty much the same price?

970 Evo Plus

970 EVO Plus NVMe M.2 SSD | Samsung UK

Discover the ultimate in performance with a Samsung SSD. Level up your performance with more power and discover lasting performance and exceptional endurance.

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980 Pro

980 PRO NVMe M.2 SSD 1TB | Samsung UK

Unleash the power of the Samsung PCIe 4.0 NVMe SSD 980 PRO for your next-level computing. Leveraging the PCIe 4.0 interface, the 980 PRO delivers double the data transfer rate of PCIe 3.0 while being backward compatible for PCIe 3.0 for added versatility.

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990 Pro

990 PRO PCIe 4.0 NVMe M.2 2TB SSD Card | Samsung UK

Buy the Samsung 990 PRO NVMe 2TB SSD Memory Card MZ-V9P2T0GW. Enjoy 5-Year Warranty, Free Delivery at Samsung UK.

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Or am I missing something?

If your motherboard supports PCIe Gen 4.0 then go for the 980 Pro or the 990 Pro (the 970 Evo Plus is on Gen 3).

That said, you probably won't find much of a big difference in performance between any of them unless you are doing a lot of specialised or regular sequential reads/writes. The random access performance can often be close to negligible (a few percent at most) for a lot of workloads and for gaming.

 

[Krarl]

Aye if you can utilise it then the 990 Pro is the one to go for

The 980 is a bit cursed in the fact that if you buy one you get one that's sound or you get one that kills itself within a month. There's no inbetween with them🤣

 

[hopgop1]

So.... in my mind, 990>980>970? That the case? All 2tb all pretty much the same price?

970 Evo Plus

970 EVO Plus NVMe M.2 SSD | Samsung UK

Discover the ultimate in performance with a Samsung SSD. Level up your performance with more power and discover lasting performance and exceptional endurance.

www.samsung.com

980 Pro

980 PRO NVMe M.2 SSD 1TB | Samsung UK

Unleash the power of the Samsung PCIe 4.0 NVMe SSD 980 PRO for your next-level computing. Leveraging the PCIe 4.0 interface, the 980 PRO delivers double the data transfer rate of PCIe 3.0 while being backward compatible for PCIe 3.0 for added versatility.

www.samsung.com

990 Pro

990 PRO PCIe 4.0 NVMe M.2 2TB SSD Card | Samsung UK

Buy the Samsung 990 PRO NVMe 2TB SSD Memory Card MZ-V9P2T0GW. Enjoy 5-Year Warranty, Free Delivery at Samsung UK.

www.samsung.com

Or am I missing something?

990 Pro 2TB in my PC, super fast, definitely worth if you've got a gen 4 slot for it.
I only paid £120 for mine at the end of last year though, SSD prices seem to have shot up.

 

[mace¬]

Thank you, so just added it to my part picker, says its OK. Will do the 990 pro.

One other thing I know everyone said wasn't necessary but still not sure on another 250gb separate storage just for the OS.... in my head it makes sense that if I ever have OS issues and have to reinstall, to have it separate to my apps makes it a no brainer.

What am I missing?

 

[hopgop1]

Thank you, so just added it to my part picker, says its OK. Will do the 990 pro.

One other thing I know everyone said wasn't necessary but still not sure on another 250gb separate storage just for the OS.... in my head it makes sense that if I ever have OS issues and have to reinstall, to have it separate to my apps makes it a no brainer.

What am I missing?

Couldn't you just do the same with a partition?
Even then, personally I'd want my OS on the fastest drive I've got, makes everything snappier, then a slower drive for stuff like games that don't have long load times anyway or other large files.

 

[Daz...]

Crucial drives are a good alternative, I’ve got a P5 Plus and a P3 Plus.

 

[Ph1 Tom]

So.... in my mind, 990>980>970? That the case? All 2tb all pretty much the same price?

970 Evo Plus

970 EVO Plus NVMe M.2 SSD | Samsung UK

Discover the ultimate in performance with a Samsung SSD. Level up your performance with more power and discover lasting performance and exceptional endurance.

www.samsung.com

980 Pro

980 PRO NVMe M.2 SSD 1TB | Samsung UK

Unleash the power of the Samsung PCIe 4.0 NVMe SSD 980 PRO for your next-level computing. Leveraging the PCIe 4.0 interface, the 980 PRO delivers double the data transfer rate of PCIe 3.0 while being backward compatible for PCIe 3.0 for added versatility.

www.samsung.com

990 Pro

990 PRO PCIe 4.0 NVMe M.2 2TB SSD Card | Samsung UK

Buy the Samsung 990 PRO NVMe 2TB SSD Memory Card MZ-V9P2T0GW. Enjoy 5-Year Warranty, Free Delivery at Samsung UK.

www.samsung.com

Or am I missing something?

That's right.

However I think the 990 can have reliability issues

 

[Beauvais Motorsport]

Setup almost done. Bought some monitor arms for the speakers, need to buy some steel sheet to bolt to the arms as they are just resting at the minute! Problem is I have a 2u amp for the speakers that I want to keep tucked away so I'm thinking of fixing to the leg with a rack mount.

 

[Waitey]

Anyone got a so so spec PC they'd like to move on. My home office one is struggling.

I don't game on it, but do some cad etc.

 

[Ray Gin]

If anyone wants a cheap (£12) copy of Grayzone Warfare, dm me. I bought this expecting it to be a normal steam key, but it turned out I bought a steam account with the game installed within the account. I have the login details for the account so you can just login and change username/password to whatever you want.

It's £29.99 on the steam store FYI, which is what I ended up paying afterwards.

 

[charltjr]

I crumbled and upgraded my monitor

Alienware 34 Inch Curved QD-OLED Gaming Monitor (AW3423DWF) - Computer Monitors | Dell UK

Shop the Alienware 34 Inch Curved QD-OLED Gaming Monitor (AW3423DWF), featuring infinite contrast ratio & AMD FreeSync Premium Pro, or view all computer monitors at Dell.com.

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25% off currently and I got another 10% off through work. It’s replacing a similar but non-OLED Asus ROG monitor.

Arrives today. Sweeeeeeeeet

 

[Darren S]

So.... in my mind, 990>980>970? That the case? All 2tb all pretty much the same price?

970 Evo Plus

970 EVO Plus NVMe M.2 SSD | Samsung UK

Discover the ultimate in performance with a Samsung SSD. Level up your performance with more power and discover lasting performance and exceptional endurance.

www.samsung.com

980 Pro

980 PRO NVMe M.2 SSD 1TB | Samsung UK

Unleash the power of the Samsung PCIe 4.0 NVMe SSD 980 PRO for your next-level computing. Leveraging the PCIe 4.0 interface, the 980 PRO delivers double the data transfer rate of PCIe 3.0 while being backward compatible for PCIe 3.0 for added versatility.

www.samsung.com

990 Pro

990 PRO PCIe 4.0 NVMe M.2 2TB SSD Card | Samsung UK

Buy the Samsung 990 PRO NVMe 2TB SSD Memory Card MZ-V9P2T0GW. Enjoy 5-Year Warranty, Free Delivery at Samsung UK.

www.samsung.com

Or am I missing something?

I did some speed comparisons in the post below.

The Power PC Thread [f*ck off consoles]

pc cleaned out with the spray duster, it was thick with dust like. Thanks

www.cliosport.net

The PCIe x4 drive is certainly quicker - and I'd recommend getting that, if your mobo supports it.

 

[mace¬]

I did some speed comparisons in the post below.

The Power PC Thread [f*ck off consoles]

pc cleaned out with the spray duster, it was thick with dust like. Thanks

www.cliosport.net

The PCIe x4 drive is certainly quicker - and I'd recommend getting that, if your mobo supports it.

So that was the 990 pro? (don't fully understand all this)

That is what I have on my list. Just waiting for pay day to roll round and I'm going to pick the RTX4070 and storage. Then I'll get it built. Quite looking forward to it, especially as in the past I would have just credit card the lot in one go and got it done, buying it in bits and have it all sat there in boxes has been hard for the last few months.
This is what I went with in the end (still not sure on the separate 970 Evo for the OS. I think its just me being old and having it drummed into me that you always keep the OS separate from your apps.

 

[Willo40]

So that was the 990 pro? (don't fully understand all this)

That is what I have on my list. Just waiting for pay day to roll round and I'm going to pick the RTX4070 and storage. Then I'll get it built. Quite looking forward to it, especially as in the past I would have just credit card the lot in one go and got it done, buying it in bits and have it all sat there in boxes has been hard for the last few months.
This is what I went with in the end (still not sure on the separate 970 Evo for the OS. I think its just me being old and having it drummed into me that you always keep the OS separate from your apps.

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People on here know ALOT more than me, but would you be better off going 3090 instead of 4070?

Edit, looks like 3090's are expensive.

 

[mace¬]

People on here know ALOT more than me, but would you be better off going 3090 instead of 4070?

No idea. I just go bigger number and newer is better.

 

[Ray Gin]

Has there been any reputable leaks on the nvidia 50xx gpu releases?

 

[Darren S]

So that was the 990 pro? (don't fully understand all this)

That is what I have on my list. Just waiting for pay day to roll round and I'm going to pick the RTX4070 and storage. Then I'll get it built. Quite looking forward to it, especially as in the past I would have just credit card the lot in one go and got it done, buying it in bits and have it all sat there in boxes has been hard for the last few months.
This is what I went with in the end (still not sure on the separate 970 Evo for the OS. I think its just me being old and having it drummed into me that you always keep the OS separate from your apps.

View attachment 1692967

Quite the opposite really.

Just get the biggest and best NVMe drive you can and chuck the lot on. The established commercial benefits of having a smallish server OS drive and then having a large drive for apps or log files makes sense. But in a home environment - not so much. Unless you're @SharkyUK ...

With the drives above, personally I would sack the 970 off unless you like to store files or photos away from your main drive. Otherwise, I'd just stick with the single 990 Pro. And certainly don't be installing your OS onto a PCIe 3.0 drive and then have your games on a PCIe 4.0 storage device.

If you want to save about £30 also - Scan have the Asus ROG B550 mobo in at £139. It's the one I have and it's great.....

However.... there's now the whole argument of going to AMD's AM5 platform as that's the new standard from them - and not really a great deal more expensive. The Ryzen 5700X you have listed above uses the older AM4 platform. Still good - still capable - but I'd argue that if you're buying new from today - I'd personally make the step up.

That also gives you the headroom into the new Ryzen CPUs, and DDR5 memory support, instead of the AM4's DDR4 standard. As you can see - there's sod all difference really in price between this mobo and the one you selected.

https://www.scan.co.uk/products/asus-tuf-gaming-b650-plus-wifi-amd-b650-am5-ddr5-pcie-40-3x-m2-25gbe-ax-wifi-bt-usb-32-gen2-atx

The financial hit will be that the newer Ryzen's will be a bit more costly as will DDR5 memory. But it is future-proofing you better.

 

[R3k1355]

Has there been any reputable leaks on the nvidia 50xx gpu releases?

No, but general consensus is AMD release first in Q3 of this year, with Nvidia releasing in Q4.

The AMD release will give a better indication, because Nvidia won't want to be too far behind for risk of blunting their sales. If AMD is late, expect Nvidia to be late.

 

[Ray Gin]

Looking to upgrade gpu/cpu and a 5k monitor towards the end of the year. Tempted to just get a new build altogether tbh instead of spending thousands on upgrading an older PC.

 

[SharkyUK]

No idea. I just go bigger number and newer is better.

The 3090 is the more powerful card (about 10-15% over the 4070 in real terms) with more VRAM, but the 4070 is obviously newer tech. The 3090 is also a lot more expensive as pointed out. The 4070 is a great card and I would stick with that unless you can find a mint 3090 secondhand for a good price (which might not be easy).

As for the separate drives for OS, games, etc. - as mentioned by Darren and others, I wouldn't worry these days. Just get a nice, fast NVMe drive and use that.

Has there been any reputable leaks on the nvidia 50xx gpu releases?

NDAs seem to be doing their thing and people honouring them (for now at least). (What would you like to know? Jokes. Maybe.) 🤣

Quite the opposite really.

Just get the biggest and best NVMe drive you can and chuck the lot on. The established commercial benefits of having a smallish server OS drive and then having a large drive for apps or log files makes sense. But in a home environment - not so much. Unless you're @SharkyUK ...

With the drives above, personally I would sack the 970 off unless you like to store files or photos away from your main drive. Otherwise, I'd just stick with the single 990 Pro. And certainly don't be installing your OS onto a PCIe 3.0 drive and then have your games on a PCIe 4.0 storage device.

If you want to save about £30 also - Scan have the Asus ROG B550 mobo in at £139. It's the one I have and it's great.....

However.... there's now the whole argument of going to AMD's AM5 platform as that's the new standard from them - and not really a great deal more expensive. The Ryzen 5700X you have listed above uses the older AM4 platform. Still good - still capable - but I'd argue that if you're buying new from today - I'd personally make the step up.

That also gives you the headroom into the new Ryzen CPUs, and DDR5 memory support, instead of the AM4's DDR4 standard. As you can see - there's sod all difference really in price between this mobo and the one you selected.

https://www.scan.co.uk/products/asus-tuf-gaming-b650-plus-wifi-amd-b650-am5-ddr5-pcie-40-3x-m2-25gbe-ax-wifi-bt-usb-32-gen2-atx

The financial hit will be that the newer Ryzen's will be a bit more costly as will DDR5 memory. But it is future-proofing you better.

^ Good advice/info.

For the record, I only have multiple drives and suchlike due to the fact I run my business empire from home, too! And some of the datasets I work with are huge and, of course, I need to maintain separation between work and personal shizzle. For personal-only stuff, just whack a big/fast NVMe in and away you go.

 

[R3k1355]

The 3090 is the more powerful card (about 10-15% over the 4070 in real terms) with more VRAM, but the 4070 is obviously newer tech. The 3090 is also a lot more expensive as pointed out. The 4070 is a great card and I would stick with that unless you can find a mint 3090 secondhand for a good price (which might not be easy).

A 4070 Super is under £550 tho, so get that over a regular 4070 @ £570.

 

[mace¬]

Quite the opposite really.

Just get the biggest and best NVMe drive you can and chuck the lot on. The established commercial benefits of having a smallish server OS drive and then having a large drive for apps or log files makes sense. But in a home environment - not so much. Unless you're @SharkyUK ...

With the drives above, personally I would sack the 970 off unless you like to store files or photos away from your main drive. Otherwise, I'd just stick with the single 990 Pro. And certainly don't be installing your OS onto a PCIe 3.0 drive and then have your games on a PCIe 4.0 storage device.

If you want to save about £30 also - Scan have the Asus ROG B550 mobo in at £139. It's the one I have and it's great.....

However.... there's now the whole argument of going to AMD's AM5 platform as that's the new standard from them - and not really a great deal more expensive. The Ryzen 5700X you have listed above uses the older AM4 platform. Still good - still capable - but I'd argue that if you're buying new from today - I'd personally make the step up.

That also gives you the headroom into the new Ryzen CPUs, and DDR5 memory support, instead of the AM4's DDR4 standard. As you can see - there's sod all difference really in price between this mobo and the one you selected.

https://www.scan.co.uk/products/asus-tuf-gaming-b650-plus-wifi-amd-b650-am5-ddr5-pcie-40-3x-m2-25gbe-ax-wifi-bt-usb-32-gen2-atx

The financial hit will be that the newer Ryzen's will be a bit more costly as will DDR5 memory. But it is future-proofing you better.

Thank you, unfortunately I have everything purchased and sat beside me apart from the Storage and GPU.

So it looks like your advice will be taken on board in 18 months when I need a new PC.

 

[Willo40]

The 3090 is the more powerful card (about 10-15% over the 4070 in real terms) with more VRAM, but the 4070 is obviously newer tech. The 3090 is also a lot more expensive as pointed out. The 4070 is a great card and I would stick with that unless you can find a mint 3090 secondhand for a good price (which might not be easy).

i mean't to put that in my original reply......

 

[charltjr]

Don’t forget power consumption and noise too. 4070 is a lot more efficient than a 3090. The 90 cards are basically just willy waving for most people, unless you’re looking for silly frame rates at 4K and are willing to pay a hefty premium for it, in which case fill your boots

 

[Darren S]

Thank you, unfortunately I have everything purchased and sat beside me apart from the Storage and GPU.

So it looks like your advice will be taken on board in 18 months when I need a new PC.

Ah, no worries - it certainly won't be a slouch in any sense.

I've got the AM4-based Ryzen 7 5800X3D, paired with 64GB DDR4 (a bit silly and overkill - I certainly don't use all of that) and an RTX3090.

I've got two NVMe drives - 1x 2TB PCIe 4.0 and 1x 1TB PCIe 3.0. I install games on both drives - the slower drive for the less demanding, less 'sizeable' games compared to my main C: drive.

It is more than up to the task of anything I throw at it - and it might be a while before I even consider upgrading. However, my hand might be forced should a decent-priced 7800X3D cross my path.

 

[Darren S]

Don’t forget power consumption and noise too. 4070 is a lot more efficient than a 3090. The 90 cards are basically just willy waving for most people, unless you’re looking for silly frame rates at 4K and are willing to pay a hefty premium for it, in which case fill your boots

I windmill on a daily basis.....

 

[SharkyUK]

I windmill on a daily basis.....

Pics, or-... actually, let's leave it there. 🤣

Talking of power and heat on the x90 cards, my home office is toasty now the warmer weather is here. My new setup/fans do an awesome job of keeping the PC and components cool, but obviously, the expelled heat from the 4090 and CPU has to go somewhere. I can keep my cup of tea/coffee warm on the heat that it vents out the case when playing demanding games!

 

[Willo40]

Pics, or-... actually, let's leave it there. 🤣

Talking of power and heat on the x90 cards, my home office is toasty now the warmer weather is here. My new setup/fans do an awesome job of keeping the PC and components cool, but obviously, the expelled heat from the 4090 and CPU has to go somewhere. I can keep my cup of tea/coffee warm on the heat that it vents out the case when playing demanding games!

Just been speaking to @Rojer , i have my PC in s small bedroom, not the weather is warmer is running hotter, hits 70oC now and again, i need to get some cooler air into it even though it has a water cooler

 

[Rojer]

Just been speaking to @Rojer , i have my PC in s small bedroom, not the weather is warmer is running hotter, hits 70oC now and again, i need to get some cooler air into it even though it has a water cooler

Use hardware info as I said mate to check the temps more accurately then if you need to do something you can.

I have an AC unit I can sell ya ha

 

[Mr Squashie]

Just been speaking to @Rojer , i have my PC in s small bedroom, not the weather is warmer is running hotter, hits 70oC now and again, i need to get some cooler air into it even though it has a water cooler

70 is perfectly fine, what the hell? 🤣

 

[Rojer]

70 is perfectly fine, what the hell? 🤣

I think that's the water temp. That's why I said get some more measurements to check what the CPU actually is

 

[Willo40]

70 is perfectly fine, what the hell? 🤣

I honestly dont know...😂

 

[Willo40]

I think that's the water temp. That's why I said get some more measurements to check what the CPU actually is

Downloaded Hardware info, runninhg it now mate...👍🏼

 

[Mr Squashie]

I think that's the water temp. That's why I said get some more measurements to check what the CPU actually is

I wouldn't even know where to find that, I've only ever checked component temps 🤔

 

[Mr Squashie]

Had a good day of gaming yesterday, played GT2 and Metal Gear Solid with the boy through DuckStation emulator. It's genuinely surprising how good PS1 games look when upscaled to 1080p and running at higher framerates.

Then I played a bit of Black and XIII using the PCSX2 emulator, haven't played those for years. Black has aged a bit but XIII still blows me away. The cell-shaded graphics and comic book style still look fantastic, and the gameplay doesn't feel particularly dated either aside from the control layout.

Then in the evening I played Ghost Of Tsushima. Jesus what a beautiful game, and what a brilliant port. Performance is great, there are loads of options to tweak if desired, and the game seems really good too from what I played. Story is solid, the combat is decent, can't really think of any bad points. Oh and the photo mode is great too, might make a new lock screen with it.

I did notice one weird thing, the framerate was fluctuating rapidly between 40 and 130 which was making the game feel stuttery, but when I enabled FSR 3 frame generation the framerate settled down to between 65 and 80 and felt perfectly smooth. The weird thing about that is I'm running a 10 series card which doesn't support frame generation, so enabling it should have had absolutely no effect 🤔

 

[McGherkin]

PS1/PS2 games were awesome. Just got back into Burnout Revenge and played through Splinter Cell Chaos Theory for the hundredth time. Tried to install Pandora Tomorrow as well but it’s a buggy mess on PC.

 

[The Psychedelic Socialist]

PS1/PS2 games were awesome. Just got back into Burnout Revenge and played through Splinter Cell Chaos Theory for the hundredth time. Tried to install Pandora Tomorrow as well but it’s a buggy mess on PC.

If I could get Super / Hyper Bishi Bashi working in an emulator my life would be complete.

 

[Mr Squashie]

PS1/PS2 games were awesome. Just got back into Burnout Revenge and played through Splinter Cell Chaos Theory for the hundredth time. Tried to install Pandora Tomorrow as well but it’s a buggy mess on PC.

Have you tried the patched version on moddb?

If I could get Super / Hyper Bishi Bashi working in an emulator my life would be complete.

1) What the f**k is this? 🤣
2) What issues are you having?

 

[The Psychedelic Socialist]

Have you tried the patched version on moddb?

1) What the f**k is this? 🤣
2) What issues are you having?
View attachment 1693287

I haven't tried in years so things might have moved on, but it's a crazy f**king Japanese rhythm game and whenever i tried it the timing was ever so slightly off, but it meant it was essentially unplayable.

I ought to dig the ROM out and give it another go as I'm guessing a decade of CPU improvements have probably closed the gap.

 

[Mr Squashie]

I haven't tried in years so things might have moved on, but it's a crazy f**king Japanese rhythm game and whenever i tried it the timing was ever so slightly off, but it meant it was essentially unplayable.

I ought to dig the ROM out and give it another go as I'm guessing a decade of CPU improvements have probably closed the gap.

I couldn't tell you if the timing is ok or not because I only installed it for that photo and have no clue what I was doing 🤣

If you want to give it a go I was using DuckStation emulator and I got the ROM from here

https://myrient.erista.me/files/Redump/Sony%20-%20PlayStation/

Oh and the BIOS files were from here