Thinking of buying this

[Jesske]

What do you guys think? It's for my 182. In the upper right corner you can change laguage to English

http://www.mbcarperformance.nl/catalog/news.php

 

[Fred@BTM]

we're going to the nurburgring with them to see what the conversion is like

 

[Jesske]

Whan are you going? I want to see that irl.

 

[Jesske]

And do you think it's bad for a car with 80000 miles?
Price will be around £2500

 

[Fred@BTM]

as long as your engine has been looked after etc you'll be fine

 

[Big Bob]

looks interesting not that much info though

 

[ja.jack]

Bert and Maurice. Sound like a couple of ok lads. Ca'nt see them knocking out a turbo conversion for less than half of what K Tec charge. They're right about one thing. Forced induction is probably the best way forward.

 

[Jesske]

It's in ccoperation with Fastchip, who wrote the turboconversion software for Ktec (I heard) and another one

 

[Big Bob]

i want to know hat the 2500 pound buys you as you cold probably DIY it
for about 1500 me thinks

excluding ecu to run it

 

[Jesske]

They say it's plug and play. Nothing in the engine will be changed. It's low boost and not a huge gain of hp. So will be perfect I suppose. The 2500 is not fitted price

 

[Big Bob]

well yes i take it that you fit it yourself and go

but what parts need replacing external to the engine ie injectors fuel rail
fuel pump and so on.

 

[Jesske]

Will post it as soon as I have an answer

 

[Big Bob]

nice one

 

[Jesske]

I did a little research and I really think this 0.5 bar kit will do the job.
I found a similar turboconversion for the Toyota MR and Lotus Elise with the same engine. It's also a kit with 0.5 bar pressure and without any further modification in the engine. Many many of those turbo's were sold and driven for thousends of miles without any problems due to the low pressure. And for +- 3100£. Really thinking of doing this on my Clio and Elise

 

[7MAT]

I'll be interested to hear how it drives.
http://www.mbcarperformance.nl/catalog/images/afb. november 003 (Small) (2).jpg

 

[ja.jack]

Might be better getting some torqey cams and a re-build, Jesske.

 

[Big Bob]

i think i have found a

turbo for about £650
exhaust pipe work for about £500
Intercooler for £350
boost sensor £80

still need to find ecu though may do my own diy jobbie

 

[redroze]

bob, can you post more details? what turbo? what intercooler(sizes)? why won't you go for stand alone ECU?

 

[jayxx83]

The setup on the black one looks neat.

 

[RichMcc]

http://www.cliosport.net/forum/showthread.php?t=251720&page=4

read page 4, scroll down a bit

 

[redroze]

http://www.cliosport.net/forum/showthread.php?t=251720&page=4

read page 4, scroll down a bit

good thread. just one question, does anybody have a solution for the gearbox problem? is there any way to strengthen it? does anybody here have fitted the K-tec kit? does the gearbox handle it @ stage 2?

cheers,
Elad.

 

[16v_jon]

The gearbox casing is shot peened to make it stronger, the thin aluminum casing is the weakest part of the box.

 

[redroze]

ok, good to know.
now, let's go with it further, if I already have around 200+ BHP (inlet, exhaust and camshafts), is it dangerous to install this kit? or will it be more effective?

cheers,
Elad.

 

[Jesske]

I mailed them and they claim the JC5 box can handle the power. Think it's possible because of the low pressure

 

[RichMcc]

box will take it imo, clutch probably wont last too long tho so consider a group n or paddle clutch when it goes

 

[Big Bob]

i think when the clutch goes its best to pull out engine replace rods pistons clutch flywheel cams the works then crank up the boost.

 

[RichMcc]

lol you talk about it like its lego.... do you know the costs involved in dropping the engine out, rebuilding the bottom end which has to be done by a specialist? cams aren't too bad to fit but aren't needed on a turbo engine since the stock set can push over 300bhp with the right boost.
Theres a 315bhp 182 kicking around.
But regardless what we're saying is if you got that much bhp out of it then your likely to be chewing gearboxes every month...
Due to the extra power from the low boost conversion an uprated clutch will last longer than a stock one.

At the end of the day the engine can produce a LOT of power... but the box cant take it... which is why they changed it in the 197.

 

[Fred@BTM]

The gearbox casing is shot peened to make it stronger, the thin aluminum casing is the weakest part of the box.

doesn't make it stronger, simply stress relieves the material

 

[edde]

i think i have found a

turbo for about £650
exhaust pipe work for about £500
Intercooler for £350
boost sensor £80

still need to find ecu though may do my own diy jobbie

Exhaust manifold?

Piping?

You could if you know what your doing do it cheaper but why hastle yourself.

ok, good to know.
now, let's go with it further, if I already have around 200+ BHP (inlet, exhaust and camshafts), is it dangerous to install this kit? or will it be more effective?

Your cars got a better breathing with the cams etc so the thing is you'll not make much more power as you'll be detting all the time on stock CR realy so not much more power that just stockturbo would have got toy. You'd have to have the ECU mapped though to make it run anyway.

I mailed them and they claim the JC5 box can handle the power. Think it's possible because of the low pressure

Nope stock box is warently limited to 200NM which the 172/182 runb as standard the box won't live its already at its limits being gentle it will live for a long time but thats not warently relibalility as such.

 

[franx]

Aslo read about the 200NM which the box is made to be able to handle..

So it's going to be dodgy... skip first gear with throttle and take it real easy putting the pedal down on the rest of the gears and it should hold out ?

 

[franx]

Aslo read about the 200NM which the box is made to be able to handle..

So it's going to be dodgy... skip first gear with throttle and take it real easy putting the pedal down on the rest of the gears and it should hold out ?

reading this it sound a bit stupid... can't expect anyone to take it esay on throttle with this conversion.

So, box is not going to handle the power. What about all the other High power clios on here ? I'm thinking they run a standard box ?

 

[Fred@BTM]

yep and with no standing starts and only around 240bhp we rebuild the box every 12-18months

 

[Jesske]

What is cost of rebuilding box?

 

[Fred@BTM]

well we charge £350 just to rebuild the box, taking it out and putting it back in, plus a new clutch (£300) its not cheap!

 

[Jesske]

And you're sure the box can't handle the power? MB guaranteed it could handle the power with only 0.5bar, but I know you have the experience, so I believe you.

 

[DrR]

I had just had a rebuilt one from renault, ironically it broke after less than 1k!

My cars done done 64k and technically on it's 4th box lol.

 

[Fred@BTM]

no it can handle the power, but thats only without doing standing starts/not rushing the changes

we use the box a hell of a lot to slow the car down, so it gets a lot of abuse, we've never blown one up, just broken synchos and internal selectors etc

the only time i've seen exploded boxes if from stading starts/rushed changes

 

[franx]

hm... gets you thinking eh Jess ?

Fred, what about the clutch ? or is this as sensitive as all of the other parts in the box ? (synchro etc.)

btw I never use the box to slow down, cause never on track .. rather use/abuse the brakes because these are easier + cheaper to change

 

[Jesske]

I'm really thinking of buying this, but only thing that can stop me is the gearbox and engine (both 70 k miles)

 

[Fred@BTM]

clutch is ok for that power, but i would change it personally