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This Topic again, 172 or a 182.
- Thread starter oFreestyler
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I think its just a case of people really falling for the marketting TBH.
Renault knew that the 172 was massively overpriced compared to the civic etc, and they needed to slash the price massively, but they didnt want to be seen to be doing a "cheap" version, so they put a bigger spoiler and a splitter and some nice wheels on so at first glance it looks like an upgrade, then binned the aircon and cruise and leather etc to still make it a poverty spec, label it as a basis for a motorsport car (even though only a tiny percentage of them got used for that) et voila you have something people perceive as worth more, when its actually worth less, genius stuff from the marketing department and the effect still lingers today.
Lol! Calm down mate, just my opinion.
This man knows, its just the one clio I've never really wanted.
clio
Get the best you can afford. Which will be a good 182 or a leggy Trophy.
realnumber 1
ClioSport Club Member
Really? How do you work that out? I could've sworn it was the cheapest in the class at the time...:S
I agree a Trophy does nothing for me
Clio when the civic came out was 16 grand.
Retail on the type R was nearer to 17, but there were loads of deals on that had them down around 15, the clio needed to be quite a bit cheaper than the honda to look like a sensible option (the civic is more car in most peoples eyes so the clio didnt just need to match the price it needed to be well under it) the cup allowed renault to get the clio under 13K which was enough to be a real bargain for the performance.
172 rag
The chaps in Dieppe didn t have in mind track use for the cup/rag or had in mind the UK market at all. The price reduction was a very beneficial side effect and obviously renault uk capitalised on that.
Think about the 106, 306 rallye. You beleive that the same lack of equipment was marketing?
The rally scene in Europe was quite different in the early 2000 and even more before that. There were no r1,r2 etc categories.
GrN was the marketing tool that they needed at that time..
For everyday use there is no real benefit for having a cup/ragnotti over a FF I think the opposite.
Some people though prefer it plain. Thats all
Think about the 106, 306 rallye. You beleive that the same lack of equipment was marketing?
The rally scene in Europe was quite different in the early 2000 and even more before that. There were no r1,r2 etc categories.
GrN was the marketing tool that they needed at that time..
For everyday use there is no real benefit for having a cup/ragnotti over a FF I think the opposite.
Some people though prefer it plain. Thats all
182 Trophy
wow I made a chavy choice 182. I never tried a trophy bought mine as a hill climb car. Doing a bit of sorting ready for the season but mainly polish cam-belt tyres etc. I did try a 170 couldn't really tell the difference in real time driving, but they are just a bit older that's all. what was the last 170 05 plate?
realnumber 1
ClioSport Club Member
If you say so...
FatRS
ClioSport Club Member
Megane 250
oFreestyler I have PM'd you regarding my Petrol Blue 182 going up for sale as per our previous conversation.
You can look the figures up on the heritage site if you think I have made an error mate
Cup was a LOT cheaper than the standard car!
FatRS
ClioSport Club Member
Megane 250
You can look the figures up on the heritage site if you think I have made an error mate
Cup was a LOT cheaper than the standard car!
Non Cup http://www.renaultsport.co.uk/roadcars/heritage
Dont forget to add the cost of Cup pack(s) to the regular Sport model also.
Cup http://www.renaultsport.co.uk/roadcars/heritage
Clio 197
I had a 172 cup before my current 182. I have always liked the twin exhaust on the 182 but the interior is a much nicer place to be (i am comparing this to the 172 cup) - auto wipers and lights are excellent (an interior comparison between 182-172 would be much harder)
Overall for me it would be the 182.
Overall for me it would be the 182.
Poopensharten
ClioSport Club Member
Golf R
If anyone buys a Renault Sport Clio for their interior quality, you're in the wrong brand.
Especially a cup
haha
realnumber 1
ClioSport Club Member
You can look the figures up on the heritage site if you think I have made an error mate
Cup was a LOT cheaper than the standard car!
Yeah but you're forgetting the discounts they did! Iirc the invoice I had for my 172 when it was purchased was around 13k and there were plenty of others sold cheaper than book price. I'll no doubt await your essay in reply...
Poopensharten
ClioSport Club Member
Golf R
im sure you are right mate, like I said they were overpriced and to sell them Renault needed them cheaper, the cup was one way to sell cheap, but dealers did give discounts too, just not as supported by Renault, with the cup the car was cheaper to the dealer so they could sell at 13k and still make a great margin, but to sell a full fat at that would have meant a smaller margin.
I bet some cups sold as low as in the 11s new too.
172 Cup, mk1 fiesta
I looked at all of them and bought a cup as I loved the colour, it was down to this or a black one.
I didn't want the air con or the abs as it was just something else to break and also slighter cheaper to maintain (cambelt) and I hope more reliable.
Plus yes the wheels sold me to it and I was only going to rip all the interior out anyway.
I have a golf tdi for comfort and long distance stuff and catch the train/cycle to work most of the time, once ever 3 weeks the 80 mile round trip is almost bearable!.
Get what ever drives the best....the difference between the 4 I looked at was pretty drastic
I didn't want the air con or the abs as it was just something else to break and also slighter cheaper to maintain (cambelt) and I hope more reliable.
Plus yes the wheels sold me to it and I was only going to rip all the interior out anyway.
I have a golf tdi for comfort and long distance stuff and catch the train/cycle to work most of the time, once ever 3 weeks the 80 mile round trip is almost bearable!.
Get what ever drives the best....the difference between the 4 I looked at was pretty drastic
E46 M3 CSL
OP, if you are still looking for a car I have a nice 182 cup for sale in Racing Blue. My parents live in Camberley and I'm down that way most weekends if you want to check it out?
I'm also looking, do you have a for sale thread?
E46 M3 CSL
Westfield, 182, 200
Had a 200, then a 182, then 197 and currently a 200 cup!
My lad is buying the cup off me in a couple of weeks so i've decided to go back to a 1#2 as i'm only doing 50 miles a week and have to park all day on a tesco car park.
I like the flame red and monaco blue 172 plus having a spare wheel well, only thing that concerns me is the seem to have weak CV joints and they throw the spline out of the diff when a circlip fails?.
My lad is buying the cup off me in a couple of weeks so i've decided to go back to a 1#2 as i'm only doing 50 miles a week and have to park all day on a tesco car park.
I like the flame red and monaco blue 172 plus having a spare wheel well, only thing that concerns me is the seem to have weak CV joints and they throw the spline out of the diff when a circlip fails?.
I wouldnt call the CV's weak, the only reason they normally fail is people damage the gaitors then dont repair them.
And the diff circlip popping isnt common like on the old 1.8 16v either, Ive never had any of our 4 172/182 do that.
Did laugh at that. All original paint? Excluding the obvious front bumper/end respray. The gap under the headlights looks big too. @
boarderpat
Westfield, 182, 200
Cheers, put my mind at rest over that one!
E46 M3 CSL
You're missing the black bumper stickers. They come off when its resprayed and never replaced.
E46 M3 CSL
Well that is news to me. Where should they be?
Bad example but they are carbon fibre replacements in this image:
Traders on here sell replacements. Renault ones are about £20 so expensive for two stickers.
Traders on here sell replacements. Renault ones are about £20 so expensive for two stickers.
E46 M3 CSL
Thanks for the heads up. I'll look into it, and amend my ad.
i'm no expert but prefer the 53 plate 172 over anything. All the gadgets you want i.e cruise, climate and traction control. personally I've never been a fan of the twin exit exhausts on the clio. I think they suit the megane better.
could you mayeb save up a bit longer and keep your eye open in here?
http://www.clio197.net/forum/forumdisplay.php?79-Clios-For-Sale&
could you mayeb save up a bit longer and keep your eye open in here?
http://www.clio197.net/forum/forumdisplay.php?79-Clios-For-Sale&
Nothing to worry about, just be aware. Could be a simple respray because of stone chips
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