Trophy or Cup

[bobbdavro]

I'm tying to get an insurance quote on the Clio Sport 182. I have no noclaims because I've been overseas for a while. I an get an online quote of about 850 quid for the regular Clio Sport 182, but if I choose the Trophy nobody will insure me. I'm 32 by the way.

Can someone tell me what it is that differentiates the Trophy ? ..I've checked the stats and the only difference I can see is that the Trophy is about 0.5 seconds quicker 0 - 60. Is this enough to deny me and insurance quote ??!!??

And can somebody tell me where the Cup fits into this, is that same as Trophy, or is Trophy something quite different.

OK, probably dumb questions,..but I don't know the answers so I guess I must be dumb. I can handle that.

 

[Maxx]

BHP difference (trophy), group rating?? Greenlight posted on here that more accidents happen in Cups (hey're lighter). Hope its some sort of help :\

 

[bobbdavro]

OK. I am dumb. I still don't know if a Trophy is Cup or not...

 

[gazcaddy]

OK. I am dumb. I still don't know if a Trophy is Cup or not...

The trophy is different to the cup becuase it has more expensive dampers, check out www.Renaultsport.co.uk and it will tell you all the differences.

The regular 182, 182 cup and 182 trophy all have the same BHP and there is not 0.5 secs difference between them 0-60, the performance in them all are virtually identical.

If they will insure you on one of the 182's then I dont see a reason why they wont insure you on the trophy as there is very little difference between them

 

[Maxx]

No the Trophy is not a cup a cup is just a barebones version of a 172 with same bhp but with diff alloys no sunroof etc, A trophy has a different set up and more power - 225bhp (think its got a different engine anyways)

 

[MarkCup]

Err, nope - no way does it have 225bhp LOL

A Trophy is a 182 with trick front dampers and good seats. Beyond cosmetics that's about it I think?

 

[bobbdavro]

I'l try my question from a different angle.

Is the Cup in the same insurance group as the the original 182 ?

End of.

(PS - thanks for the link to RenaultSport - useful, cheers)

 

[Maxx]

Thought it did - o well coming from a 1.2 owner lol :\

 

[Tom1]

Trophy is the lightest and quickest in the 182 range. Its also group 17 where as normal 182's are group 16.

 

[fizzy_drink]

It all depends on how long you areplanning on keeping it:

I doubt the Sachs kit will still be available in five years time... in fact, you can't even buy it now can you?

Unless the Sachs kit is fully servicable, I wouldn't personally buy one (as a long-term purchase).

People looking for used trophies in the future will be asking those very questions too... which might affect resale after 3yrs (when warranty runs out).

Replacement parts for a special edition car will either be expensive, or unavailable IMO.

 

[Phill1978]

how much horse cack is been talked

the lightest clio MKII ever is the cup and by a good margin.

the trophy was still grp 16 last time i checked and 0-60 wouldnt be any different from a 182cup the recaros are hardly any lighter than the non airbag foam seats in the 182cup

225hp in a clio trophy ? wtf ! thats just funny.

the cup is by manufacturers claims/figures fastest to 60 at 6.5
the cup is the lightest
the cup is also grp 17 and sits in the highest group (apart from V6 of course)

a standard 182 will do you fine m8

 

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Will try and help you a bit mate:

All 182 come with 2.016v 182bhp engine.

182 comes with Xenons Climate control leather interior etc.

182 cup drops the Xenons, Climate and has cloth interior (only available in inferno or racing blue)

Trophy is as the 182cup but with manual AC optional recaros and Up rated Sachs dampers, V6 spoiler and speedline turinis Limited edition of 500. Only available in caspicum red.

All group 16.

The difference in insurance prices is normally more associated with 172s as the 172 has no ABS and insurers are now wary of this due to high total loss claims with the 172cup.

 

[wozzaa]

how much horse cack is been talked

the lightest clio MKII ever is the cup and by a good margin.

the trophy was still grp 16 last time i checked and 0-60 wouldnt be any different from a 182cup the recaros are hardly any lighter than the non airbag foam seats in the 182cup

225hp in a clio trophy ? wtf ! thats just funny.

the cup is by manufacturers claims/figures fastest to 60 at 6.5
the cup is the lightest
the cup is also grp 17 and sits in the highest group (apart from V6 of course)

a standard 182 will do you fine m8

The throphy is group 17, There is no power difference between them all share same engine.

Lightest one would be the 172 cup but he wasnt asking about the 172 he was asking about the 182. And i dont think there was a .7 second difference with 0-60 times form the 172 and 172 cup just seems a little too much for the weight saved thought it was 6.8 to 60.

The 172 cup sat in group 16 with only the trophy going into group 17 and the V6 sits in group 20 obviously.

And i think the guy thinking 225bhp was getting confused with the megane sport. since that too has cup and trophy versions.

 

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6.8 is indeed correct for the 172cup and I was under the impression the trophy was 16 as well.

 

[bobbdavro]

Adtmits, thanks, that's the nearest thing to an answer to my original question and seems to stack up with what I have read since my first post.

I just noticed on the Parkers guide website that the Cup is actually cheaper than the original 182. Probably no surprise to you lot. But I guess this is down to the cup dropping the fancy seats and the aircon as you say.

Now that I know that I CAN get an insured, (provided I steer clear of the Trophy), the next question is how do I get my mits on a 182 (or 182 cup) as quick as possible? But I suppose I'll just have to work on that one myself. I just found one with only 200 miles on the clock for 12.5k, and from what looks like a decent dealer. Maybe I'll take a look at that, but seems a bit odd that someone would want rid after just 200 miles...

Anyway, thanks all for your input.

Incidently - I do not on a 172 Mk2 as my profile suggests. No idea where that came from !

PS ..(er...does anybody know who Omar is talking to and what the 'ck he's on about ?)

 

[wozzaa]

You should be able to get the 182 cheaper than that seen people getting the trophies for that kinda cash.

And maybe look at some of the guys selling theres on here.

 

[Rich]

PS ..(er...does anybody know who Omar is talking to and what the 'ck he's on about ?)

Omar was talking to you at a guess! He is letting you know about the main mechanical difference that the 182 Trophy has over the rest of the previous 182, 172 models be they cup or not cup, the fact that the trophy is fitted with a Sachs suspension set up. Do a quick search there is lots of talk about the suspension the Trophy has on here. Different front shocks and rear shocks, slightly lower ride height and something like 10 times as much in cost more than the standard set up.

As nice as this special set up sounds as Omar says, will you be able to get these parts in few years if you keeping the car for a while, when it seems impossible to even buy a replacement today.

 

[freefly]

Just to clear a few things up. The 182 Trophy IG is definatley 17, the 182 and 182 cup are both 16.

182 Cup and 182 Trophy both have a (claimed) 0-60 time of 6.5 seconds. Whereas a Std 182 is stated as 6.6 seconds.

Weights are as follows: A 182 Trophy is stated as 1075Kg. The 182 cup stated as 1090Kg and Std 182 1110Kg.

The differences between the Trophy and Cup are that the trophy comes with Recaro trendline seats as standard is only available in capasicum red, a V6 spoiler is fitted to the tailgate, and the main selling point is that Sachs Racing dampers are fitted to improve the road holding ability.

All taken from Evo magezine.

 

[portland]

Wow, what a lot of conflicting info!

Here's the actual story. All the 182's have the same 2.0 16v n/a engine with the same power 182 bhp peak (the 225 seems to be confusion with the Megane RS/cup/Trophy which has a 2.0 turbo). Slight differences in 0 - 60 are down to weight really, speed round a track or windy road will be affected by both weight and what suspension tweaks are fitted.

182 or "full fat" is the heaviest of the models, has auto air con, auto xenon headlights, auto wipers etc etc etc. It is often fitted with cup packs, which tweak the suspension add a spoiler etc. It can also have optional Recaro seats fitted. Some insurance firms consider the cup packs and Recaros to be performance enhancing and increase the premium, but most do not. You MUST declare these regardless, even if they are factory fit, they are still an option, and not declaring them could invalidate your insurance. The full fat is a group 16.

The 182 cup has (shockingly) both cup packs fitted as standard, and is lightened a little by taking some of the automatic gubbins out. It has air con, but is manual, has wipers, but you have to <gasp> turn them on and off yourself, has normal halogen rather than xenon lights etc. It is only available in 2 colours, and has the Recaros as an option. The only new cups now available are pre-reg'd and are getting thin on the ground. It's also group 16.

The 182 Trophy is effectively an even lighter version of the cup, with further tweaks to the suspension, Recaros as standard and lighter wheels and it's only available in one colour. It's a limited run of 500 for the UK, and there are a handful left. It's group 17 as most firms recognise it as being more likely to be thrashed, more likely to be pinched and is also a bit dearer.

Have a nosy round the Renault site for more info:

http://www.renaultsport.co.uk/roadcars/clio182/

There are a couple of errors with the spec, as some of the info for the Trophy and cup acually corresponds to the full fat.

Hope this helps clear things up...

 

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Evo is a different matter manufacurer figures. The figurs are 6.9 and 7.0 for 182 cup and 182.

Most people when looking to buy a car refer to the manufacturers figure. This thread highlights how confusing 182 spec is!!

Just to clear a few things up. The 182 Trophy IG is definatley 17, the 182 and 182 cup are both 16.

182 Cup and 182 Trophy both have a (claimed) 0-60 time of 6.5 seconds. Whereas a Std 182 is stated as 6.6 seconds.

Weights are as follows: A 182 Trophy is stated as 1075Kg. The 182 cup stated as 1090Kg and Std 182 1110Kg.

The differences between the Trophy and Cup are that the trophy comes with Recaro trendline seats as standard is only available in capasicum red, a V6 spoiler is fitted to the tailgate, and the main selling point is that Sachs Racing dampers are fitted to improve the road holding ability.

All taken from Evo magezine.

 

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[Jamie]

the trophy is a fair bit more expensive than the "normal" 182's.... but if i were buying one id prefer to get a trophy if i had the extra cash. in reality there prob wont be much difference between the 182 cup and the trophy in terms of driving etc, however, the idea of a ltd run, uprated suspension, diff interior, decals and a no.d plaque really appeals to me (williams owner), anyone would think that reno had done that before?! as for ur insurance give highway insurance a ring or adrian flux or norwich union as they have always been quoted as being v chp (not for me tho). and good luck.

 

[suckmykiss]

try direct line the cheapest 4 me. im 21 with no no claims an a 182

 

[muz]

do a confused.com

you get 30 insurers offfering a price, how I got mine under a grand with only 1 years no claims