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The Jinx
DC2 lump would fit with work. Mark R has looked at this I believe.
However I think engines tend to go for near £1500 so they really arent a cheap option. Easy 250bhp though.
If youre spending that, could you fit the turbod lump from the new megane? 212(?) out the box and Im sure that someone on here said that youre looking at an easy 270+bhp with little effort.
(I think... lol)
The Jinx
DC2 lump is far, far superior to anything Renault produce, especially a turbo unit (probably get flamed but turbos arent a patch on proper NA power in my book).
Martin, could well be worth it yes as the power is easy to achieve. Mark R and Ben R know a fair bit about them I believe.
I just like turbos
The B series honda is more tricky because the engine spins in the other direction, so it sits on the other side of the bay. Having to relocate the battery for a starter. Some custom engine mounts (not too hard, honda engine mounts are lovingly simple). But it is far superior to the Renault lumps. If you go for a B series, i would go for either B18 or B20 hybrid (would require block build/modifications to make the single liner setup work with the RPM that could be used to sustain astronomical power figures.
The K20A out of the new type R is a fairly large engine, but fits into an EG civic/elises etc so it should by all means fit. Its a traditional layout, and youd only have to make sure the box diff housing cleared the steering rack. But the engine is absolutely amazing.
In both, custom drive shafts, engine mounts, management will be required.
But would make a totally blistering clio.
It all boils down to time and money in the end. But the beauty of using the B18C engine and box as a complete unit, means you also get an extremely strong box with an lsd already fitted.
Nippy white cup
Isnt it supidly cheap for a Jackson charger? 3k or something for 300bhp?
Chris
MERCEDES CLS AMG
Type - r in a clio.........dont be silly
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v602/davebell1984/cars/1088633650__Photo0228.jpg
It can be done
Dave
[Edited by number1 on 15 August 2005 at 9:26pm]
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The Clio 172 lump develops 170 bhp ish and with few minor mods can be taken up to the same bh as a type-r unit, so why spend £££££ doing a conversion ? In fact every race ive seen at the strip the 172 cup beats the type-r no problem.........waste of time imo
The Jinx
172 will not make 250bhp easily or reliably though will it?
The B series honda is a superior unit. With much much higher parts supply support, choice of components etc etc.
With very little money you can create a power unit that puts the 172 engine to shame.
And if you start with the K20A unit, 220-240bhp is a fart and a whistle away.
And there are all sorts of hybrid varients you can do.
yes but thats the cars isnt it, power to weight ratios and things like that are different, surely a more powerful stronger engine in a lighter car will make it faster. if you swapped the engines over with the cup and ctr then the cup would still win, less weight = more power to weight.
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I deal with a guy that runs a clio williams touring car that puts out 280bhp - ok its modded but a type-r unit would have to be, to put that sort of power out. I agree that the jap unit will probably be more reliable though - definately !!
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The guy is a privateer on the race circuit and occasionally comes to see us when he needs certain items - next time hes down this way i will get you a number and find out exactly how hes achieved this bhp figure - ive seen pics of the engine and its a masterpiece. Hes spent £9k on it !!!!
The Jinx
Must be forged bits in that surely!
Sounds mental!
B20 hybrids can top 300bhp no problem.
280bhp from a F7R is fine, but it isnt the most tractable or efficient engine in the world, the bottom end geometry is crap for high rpm and decent lifespan.
The K20As from the new CTRs are truely awesome......if you got the cash, think along the lines of 350bhp NA no troubles. You can even run them upto 2.6ltrs if you want.
