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why not just post your results here ?????
they would only help if you lowered the vehicle and then used them to reset the camber back to specQuote: Originally posted by ortontom2 on 14 November 2003
I had adjustable camber bolts fitted, for results email me.
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You can use them to give the front wheels -ve camber, which should give better "turn in".....hence the topic title I guess...Quote: Originally posted by JAY172 on 14 November 2003
they would only help if you lowered the vehicle and then used them to reset the camber back to specQuote: Originally posted by ortontom2 on 14 November 2003
I had adjustable camber bolts fitted, for results email me.
v good
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ok ok calm down u lot.
"lowering" interesting point (umm doesnt know what his talking about jay 172 sorry), but negative camber really is not completely linked to lowering.
The turn in is fabulous now, im at donington on sunday to try them out. I run on a set of old (mk2) clio 15"s with proxys. 195/50/15 well they are 150 quid for 4. Cheap as chips and Im currently on track to using around 9 tyres per year at this rate.....
But Im looking to lower and get some of those Mich cup sport tyres...but they dont do this size. Bugger The M3 csl runs on those semi slicks and they are fin good.
On the point of lowering. Im a little unsure as a bit of body roll gives you feel through a 4 wheeled drift on long open corners...which is fantastic in this clio. I managed 85mph through copse corner at silverstone "on the slide"
and the control is wonderful...just run up to the corner slap on the brakes....release then flick the nose in and.....slide. awesome
So at the moment my may 2003 clio cup is on 12k and is feeling fine with no probs at all. Which is a shock seeing as its done 3 track days, and has been hammered to sh*te. Just about to change the front pads ....so they have stood up as well.
Im quite surprised. A french car that works...well done ren.
Anyway the conversion costs 170 for the two bolts and the re-alignment. settings are 1 degree of neg camber and a total of 10 cents toe in....a sort of snow plough effect on the front tyres.
This is very nice on roundabouts and quick corners. But turn-in still nowhere near the wonderful focus RS (god i miss her) sob.
Just so you know..
tom
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f**k £170?
free pair of pants with that?
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its my job to know what im on about! renault didnt just pick any camber angle they found a camber angle that gave the best all around driveability(not everybody wants to drift round a corner at 85,they sell cars to everybody so have to come up with an all around comprimise that will suit all different driving styles).Do you actually now the reason for camber then? Hows your tyre wear? I never said camber was just linked to lowering!
sorry u said
they would only help if you lowered the vehicle and then used them to reset the camber back to spec
i thought you would guys would want to know just to make it a little more exciting around corners. If people wanted a normal car they wouldnt buy a cup would they?
Jay i do understand your point and yes it has broader appeal, but if it had that much broader appeal renault would sell more than the 1600 per year its currently selling. So i would say its a specialist car.....
camber has less to do with turn-in than what everybody seems to think here. With massive camber you can get HORRIBLE straight line stability and snatchy turn in but exceedingly stable and terrific mid corner grip. Ofcourse it does affect initial turn in, but your playing with very small amounts on the cup. I have a feeling the higher profile 15" tyres work better with the increased camber you have adj rather than affecting the entire cars attitude.
The 172/cup has little camber, quite a low SAI offset and scrub radius, but a high offset to counteract the kingpin as near the tyre centre line as possible. Also why they do NOT suffer from bad torque steer, althought the cup si worse than the 172 due to the increase in track simply down to moving the wheel centre line an affecting, passively, the SAI offset and SR. This coupled with the increased castor which give the increased stability needed due to the larger torque generated by the lower offsets. Thats why the cup feels more sharp, cause your getting stronger inputs and self centering (is taht american spelling!??? lol) action. Much for the same reason early 1930s racers ran LOTS of positive camber.
Increasing camber has less of an effect on handling than changing track settings and torque moments about the steering geometry. So i dont see how its the revelation made out to be. Coupled with modern low profile tyres, lots of camber isnt needed to keep a large contact patch mid corner as tyre deformation isnt as severe.
Then 170 quid!!! Who needs lazers to setup -1 deg camber!
Not to mention they run toe out std for a reason. unequal forces from inner and outer tyre edge.
Sorry, not a stab, just interested in the topic.
the camber affects vehicle stability at all speeds,the steering,stability under braking(more so when braking hard),keeps the vehicle in a straight line,helps you to control the vehicle in the event of steering failure(eg broken track rod) and its handling around corners.the combination of the camber+other steering/suspension angles produces all of the above.
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