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what should i do???



  octavia vRS TFSI
hey up guys new member here.

Im pretty into my trackdays, and have amassed a fair amount of hours track work at places such as the ring in drive a mk2 Octavia vRS 2.0T.
Mods:
upgraded high pressure fuelpump, ITG maxogen full induction kit, turbo back exhaust, discharge pipes, stage 3 remap, coilovers, anti roll bars, anti lift kit, uprated discs/pads and fluid running 287hp 305lbft.

as you can see its pretty heavily fettled now. but is used as my every day drive as well as a track tool. my missus who used to love it now hates it as it is now to harsh for normal driving for her.

She is now being reverted back to standard and i was going to change her for an impreza STI. but i feel drawn to the idea of buyiong a diesel family saloon for her, and a clio 172/182 as a track tool, as id be able to do both for the less than the cost of my octavia or an STI.

having only been involved in turbo'd cars, i have a few questions about N/A tuning.

what sort of gains could i see with a performance downpipe, induction kit, and remap on both the 172 and 182.

im not bothered about huge power, as i think id be interested in stripping out the weight from the clio if i was to get one.

so on that front, would it be worthwhile just leaving the 'cup' suspension as is, and maybe just changing the anti roll bars, and fitting an LSD and uprating the brakes

would removing removing all the seats(front and rear- to be replaced with some light weight buckets), removing all the door cards and carpets etc etc have an adverse effect on the handling. obviously the car would be lighter, but the standard springs were specced to work with car at its standard weight???

anybody have any links to cars that have been track prepped(whilst still being road legal)
 

Bluebeard

ClioSport Moderator
  Whichever has fuel
If you want to mod the clio 'properly' expect to pay circa £4,000 on either a Turbo/ITB's or a Supercharger.

The F4r engines don't respond to tuning. At all. £ per bhp is rediculously bad. Induction kit/decat/cams/exhaust/remapping may see you with 15hp. for about £1200!! lol.

The best thing would be decent suspension and brakes. and make it as light as possible. Transforms the car.
 
  octavia vRS TFSI
thats what i am trying to say reallly. i know N/A engines dont respond to tuning like turbo'd cars, hence why i want to work on the handling aand power to weight. i wouldnt expect big increases in peak figures but on a dyno graph its not about the peak improvements its about the area underneath the curve and how much that has increases, as that is what you feel on the road and track

im not really interested in the turbo conversion or supercharger conversion or even cams for that matter. just the simple bolt on mods, thne good old handling mods.

last time i was at the ring before being posted back to UK, I found my car had absolutely no issues staying with the new Focus RS's that were around there but dynamically even with my mods i had to work real hard to stay in touch. As well as that there was a clio trophy there one of the days and in the corners he was in a different league to me. once we got a decent straight i was long gone, but anyone can drive fast in a straight line, i want to get a lighter car so i can fdo real hard cornering.

what are the popular mods on here when it comes to

exhausts-
induction kits-
suspension-shocks/springs/anti roll bars
brakes-
 

Bluebeard

ClioSport Moderator
  Whichever has fuel
Brakes are simple disc and pad combo (Brembo/pagid blue/Performance friction/Carbon lorraines etc) Braided lines and decent fluid. (The cars weigh fcuk all so don't need massive brakes)

Suspension is a cost thing really. I've just ordered FK konigsports for my track car as they are the best I can afford. If money was no object i'd have ordered KW's as they are the best of the best of the best SIR!

Exhausts on here are a bit of a 50/50 camp. I personally prefer the Yozzasport over the k-tec. (google them! lol)

And induction kits: go into the traders section, look for JMS tuning and their new induction setup. (road or race) Seeing as the renault airbox is already bloody good, their setup is supposed to be top notch.

The real factor with these cars is weight. Strip them out completely and fit decent suspension and on track they can stick with most things! (Provided they're driven properly! lol)

Hope this helps.
 
  1.6 Focus, 1.6 122S
lol, trying to keep the lid on the can o worms.

I have always seen cups make closer to book power than any other of the Clio RS range
 
  octavia vRS TFSI
(Brembo/pagid blue/Performance friction/Carbon lorraines etc) Braided lines and decent fluid. (The cars weigh fcuk all so don't need massive brakes)
i found with my brakes heat and fade was the biggest problem. even with uprated pads and fluid. im presuming due to the weight of the vRS (1470Kg aint no lightweight)
I suppose a bit of ducting would sort that out i guess

Suspension is a cost thing really. I've just ordered FK konigsports for my track car as they are the best I can afford. If money was no object i'd have ordered KW's as they are the best of the best of the best SIR!
Id be keen to go KW if i was to swap as they are awesome from my experience.

(Provided they're driven properly! lol)
lol, im not too bad behind the wheel mate.
 
  octavia vRS TFSI
is a gain of 10Hp realistic with an exhaust, intake and remap.

sounds nuts tto me as on my car that would give a 60Hp90lbft increase
 

Bluebeard

ClioSport Moderator
  Whichever has fuel
yes 10 hp is probably realistic, but bear in mind that about 75% of CLio 172/182's only make about 160hp....
 
  1.6 Focus, 1.6 122S
Daniels quoting at the flywheel (however i've never seen a cup below 170 at the fly)

I was being pessimistic, a common mod is to get the inlets matched, can provided some good gains. You most likly would see 10 without them though
 

Bluebeard

ClioSport Moderator
  Whichever has fuel
Saner, do you think the cup vs FF bhp is to do with the aircon? Thats my personal take on it.

is that at the flywheel or the wheels.

...includng inlets?????

At the fly mate.

Inlets. The Standard inlet manifold is about 1mm smaller than the gasket and as rough as a badgers ass. About £150 sees it machined out properly and some healthy gains can be had!
 
  octavia vRS TFSI
strange that they are so far away from the stated output.

triedlooking into the trader forums. it said there are no posts although it blatently shows there is
 
  Renaultsport 220T
tbh for a clio for the ring, forget about searching out hp figures and major engine mods.

It's all about how quick you can corner. Uprate the brakes, and a decent set of well set up coilovers, + cage and stripped out interior is all you need.

Ok, Adenau to Carousel will be slow, but the corner speeds everywhere else will make up for it.
 

Bluebeard

ClioSport Moderator
  Whichever has fuel
I personally preferred tracking my 172 than I did my M3!

The M3 was was just overtake overtake overtake all day. The Clio is all about trying to keep as much speed as possible!
 
  1.6 Focus, 1.6 122S
Need to be a member to access the traders and guides section, as well as recive discounts and a few other goodies. Price to you £10 ;)

In regards to the figures being out, it is odd. Higher milage engines can go either way, i've seen some scrapping into the 150's and others standard with over 170 on the ph1's
 
  octavia vRS TFSI
I dont reallly want to go for a roll cage to be honest. its alot of extra weight after stripping out, and its alot of extra money.

does the clio responf well to anti roll bars. cant seem to find muc on them. i know on my var i think the anti roll bar upgrade made the biggest difference
 
  1.6 Focus, 1.6 122S
Couldn't answer that one, I know a few have gone for LSD, most i think just uprate the bushes!
 
  Renaultsport 220T
I dont reallly want to go for a roll cage to be honest. its alot of extra weight after stripping out, and its alot of extra money.

does the clio responf well to anti roll bars. cant seem to find muc on them. i know on my var i think the anti roll bar upgrade made the biggest difference

fair e muff

Personally, for a dedicated ring tool, I think a cage is worth it. Depends how hard you want to push and how safe you want to be. IMO I'd rather spend £400 on saving my neck than 3-5bhp increase in engine power.
 
  octavia vRS TFSI
fair e muff

Personally, for a dedicated ring tool, I think a cage is worth it. Depends how hard you want to push and how safe you want to be. IMO I'd rather spend £400 on saving my neck than 3-5bhp increase in engine power.

i dont live in moenchongladbach any more. now working in kent,so im stuck with UK tracks until i can manage to get myself back out to germany to get to the ring. cant really afford dedicated ring laps.

i wont rule out a cage at a later date though.

thought a cage would be £1000 +
 
  1.6 Focus, 1.6 122S
There are a few cars in teh Projects area which may give you some ideas. However you do need to be a member to view i think!
 


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