What tyres for wet / rainy trackdays??

[Chip-mk1]

Yeah a 5mm set of SG 888 is an epic wet tyre. Only really bad standing water effects them.

 

[Bobby.]

That's why we are talking R1R's.

Yeah I know, just giving my opinion on the RSR's as they've come up at couple times in the thread.

Never tried the R1R's to comment on them unfortunately.

 

[Martin.]

Thanks for your comments. I think I'm going to go for the Toyo R1Rs

 

[Martin.]

Cheapest place to buy these R1Rs? Before I start looking around..

 

[Adam G]

I got mine from tyretraders, as they were cheapest at the time. Was a while ago now though.

 

[Martin.]

Thanks. Just had a quick look. Works out at £273.18 on there for 4 delivered. Thats 205mm tyres.

£154.34 all in for 195s but that's 86V whatever that means?

£205.72 all in for 195s with 82V.

What's the difference between 82V and 86V?

Also is it worth going for the extra width? I didn't with my R888s but might be worth the extra contact patch in the wet.

 

[Ph1 Tom]

Thanks. Just had a quick look. Works out at £273.18 on there for 4 delivered. Thats 205mm tyres.

£154.34 all in for 195s but that's 86V whatever that means?

£205.72 all in for 195s with 82V.

What's the difference between 82V and 86V?

Also is it worth going for the extra width? I didn't with my R888s but might be worth the extra contact patch in the wet.

I think the 86 have a stiffer sidewall than the 82 as they can take more loading.

I'd go for the 195s for a wet tyre rather than 205s. And run 205 in the dry.

 

[vecbtb]

R1R's will be my choice for hill climbing in the dry too - nice and soft with no need to get up to temp.

 

[Martin.]

I think the 86 have a stiffer sidewall than the 82 as they can take more loading..

Surely that's better then, but why are they cheaper than the 82s?

 

[JamesBryan]

Surely that's better then, but why are they cheaper than the 82s?

Maybe they sell more of the 86's, so they order more from their supplier and get better prices for bigger bulk orders. That saving then helps them to reduce the cost.

 

[Tony Hunter]

Go for the 195, as they are slightly wider anyway.
The wider the tyre the more water you have to move.

 

[Martin.]

Go for the 195, as they are slightly wider anyway.
The wider the tyre the more water you have to move.

I'll go with what you say. Thanks Tony

However trying to understand it confuses me lol. Surely more width means more grip. Even if you have to move water no?

Otherwise you could argue that a car on slim steel wheels with 105mm or whatever for example would be better in the wet than a car on 205s?

 

[Bobby.]

What would fall through water quicker, a plate or a knife?

In the snow, who gets up the the hill the easiest? A little micra with skinny wheels or an m3 with big fat wheels?

It's all about Reducing surface area in the wet.

 

[Martin.]

Interesting.

 

[Tony Hunter]

I'll go with what you say. Thanks Tony

However trying to understand it confuses me lol. Surely more width means more grip. Even if you have to move water no?

Otherwise you could argue that a car on slim steel wheels with 105mm or whatever for example would be better in the wet than a car on 205s?

No, not at all.

 

[Martin.]

195s it is then!

Still not sure whether 82v or 86v though. What have people used before?

 

[Bobby.]

Just get the cheaper ones!

 

[Martin.]

£154.34 delivered all in seems far too cheap for 4 tyres lol!!!

 

[Tony Hunter]

I don't know what ones are on the race car.

Im nowhere near it atm.
Got ours from tweeks about 55 a corner
2yrs ago though.

 

[Martin.]

Assuming the price hasn't moved too much you must have either 205s or the lower load rating ones (82V)

"If they're good enough for you, they're good enough for me"

 

[Tony Hunter]

Def 195's as I said they do sit wider on the rim. Dont know what rating.
I can look later wgen I'm home.

 

[Martin.]

If you wouldn't mind that would be great. Thanks.

I like to be sure I'm getting the 'right ones' when buying tyres.

 

[MG cup]

Get the stiffer ones then you have more scope with pressures.

 

[Martin.]

Get the stiffer ones then you have more scope with pressures.

Plus they're cheaper.

Just seem toooooo cheap lol. Almost like there's a catch!

 

[MG cup]

I don't know how ratings work tbh. If higher the number is stiffer or vice versa. The letter is speed related I know but Google away son

 

[Martin.]

Yeah I have done

It's load rating. 82 is 475kg max load. 86 is 530kg.

No idea how that relates to stiffness at all though.

 

[MG cup]

Thicker sidewall to support the weight transfer.

 

[Tony Hunter]

I would guess the higher number woukd be stiffer then. If it can take more load.

 

[Martin.]

Seems odd then how they can be so much cheaper. But anyway I'm rambling away now and going round in circles lol.

Thanks for the help chaps.

 

[Bobby.]

Yeah higher the number = higher load rating = stiffer side wall.

 

[FLOBALOB]

Thanks. Just had a quick look. Works out at £273.18 on there for 4 delivered. Thats 205mm tyres.

£154.34 all in for 195s but that's 86V whatever that means?

£205.72 all in for 195s with 82V.

After seeing these prices, I didnt think it sounded right and had never heard of tyre traders so thought I'd go and have a look.
Cant see Toyo R1R's with anything other than an 82v load rating listed at £51.43 each + pp. No listing for R1r in 86v at all. Are you sure you.ve not accidently ordered the Toyo proxy 4's listed just above them at £35.59 +pp each? Totally different tyres and nowhere near as good. 154 quid for 4x R1R just seems too cheap.

 

[Chip-mk1]

That does sound more like a T1R price!

 

[Nick172Cup]

If it is correct link me up please, need some road/wet track tyres for the race car and at that price I'll order some tonight!

 

[Tony Hunter]

Mine are 82v. Just checked.

 

[FLOBALOB]

To be honest £50 per corner is still damn cheap in 195/50/15. I paid £70 each for a couple from Camskill and I thought that was a good deal.

 

[Jamie86]

The £154.34 is for the PX4's

They only have 82v R1R's listed on Tyre traders

http://www.tyretraders.com/tyreInformation|ItemID|TOY19550R1582VR1R.html

for 4 of the R1R's is: Total Due (Inc VAT, Shipping & Discount) : £219.19

 

[FLOBALOB]

Yeah thought so, I think I still might well have 2 of the R1r in 195/50/15's for £109 delivered though. Bargain price for very good tyres. Get em quick before they hike the price or run out of stock.

 

[Tony Hunter]

It is very cheap for a very good wet tyre.

 

[Martin.]

TOYO 195/50R15 82V PROXES R1R Fuel Efficency:G Wet Grip:C Noise DB:73 Noise Class:3

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[Martin.]

Everything seems right to me? Don't think I've made a mistake??

Looking at the site again now. I think they must have changed something. There was definitely a choice between 82v and 86v before.

The previous data was just copied from the site and I only had R1Rs listed.

Ordering some of the 82vs today.