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whats this OHMs all about



  Megane R26


Hi guys,

Please can anyone help. Thinkin of buying a new sub and amp this week, been looking at http://www.cel-direct.co.ukwww.cel-direct.co.uk for ideas, but not sure what Sub and Amp to put together, as this Ohms business is putting me off. Is it the different ways in which you can wire the Sub?

Basically i would like to buy Pioneer sub TS-W121SPL, but which amp should I buy to run it off?? The specs say it has dual 4Ohm coils, wot does this mean?

I am not really wanting to spend more than £250 to £300 on both sub and amp, any 1 any ideas
 
  don't


what rms wattage is the sub rated at m8????

u want an amp that is more powerful than than the rms rating of the sub
 

KDF

  Audi TT Stronic


^^ Ye ohms is resistence, normally for car use you would want 4 ohm speakers.. but for subs it depends how you wire them up, parallel, serial etc.

IIRC if you wire 2 x 4 ohm speakers parallel it would give a resistence of 2 ohms.
 


Means it can be run in different combinations, 8,4 and 2 ohms if you connect them in parallel itll run @ 2 ohms which means more power (if your amp can handle it)
 
  500bhp Scoob


Quote: Originally posted by _KDF on 13 July 2004

^^ Ye ohms is resistence, normally for car use you would want 4 ohm speakers.. but for subs it depends how you wire them up, parallel, serial etc.

IIRC if you wire 2 x 4 ohm speakers parallel it would give a resistence of 2 ohms.
true, a dual voice coil, at 4 ohms each, would be like having 2 x 4ohm subs, running in parrellel, using ohms law, this works out to be 2ohms

(R1xR2) / (R1+R2) = (4x4) / (4+4) = 16/8 = 2ohms

Looking at the spec, id say its 750w RMS, and 2000w Max, meaning youd have to get an amp that chucks out atleast 750w RMS @ 2ohms.

Get an amp that can do something like 800w RMS @ 2ohms, therefore not totally overloading it.

If you need anymore help, let me know
 


Quote: Originally posted by riplash on 13 July 2004


Quote: Originally posted by Essexlad_Dave on 13 July 2004


u want an amp that is more powerful than than the rms rating of the sub

:sick:




Hes quite right, idealy you wanna have it a little overpowered and not have it at full chat so the amp is on overload all the time.
 
  don't


yea riplash what u pullin faces 4 m8??????

hes lookin 4 an amp for the sub so hes guna need 2 look at RMS watt ratings on both :D

u dont want 2 have ur amp struggling do u, and its bad 2 underpower a sub aswel

so u want an amp that can b on say max of 3/4 power really otherwise it wont b lasting 2 long

.Dave.
 
  Polo + Micra


Quote: Originally posted by Essexlad_Dave on 13 July 2004


and its bad 2 underpower a sub aswel
im just being picky but this comment is made loads of times

its not bad but you will be disapointed
 


The impedance (resistance) of a speaker is measured in ohms. The resistance of the speaker is dependent on these factors:

• Voice coils electrical impedance (resistance, inductance ect)
• Drivers mechanical impedance (stiffness, mass, damping)
• Drivers acoustic radiation impedance (resistance, reactance)

The impedance of a speaker will then determine how much power it can draw from an amplifier, and how much the amplifier can give out.

For example, many amplifiers (especially monoblock) can drop to as low as 1 ohm, and would give out for example 1200 watt RMS (2400 watt MAX). But connecting a 4 ohm speaker to it would not give this power output, because the resistance is much higher. It would give around a 3rd of the power. For example we will look at the ratings of the VIBE VP4:
450 watts RMS at 4 ohms
750 watts RMS at 2 ohms
1200 watts RMS at 1 ohm

Now as you can see the power differences are quite large, this is because when the resistance in the circuit that the amplifier is connected to is lower, the more power the amplifier can push through the circuit.

Speakers can be bought that have different impedance values. The most common are 4 ohm and 2 ohm speakers and 1 ohm speakers for ones that can handle huge amounts of power.
Also, speakers can be bought that have 2 voice coils inside the speaker. These are called ‘Dual voice coil’. You will typically see them described as a ‘Dual 4 ohm voice coil’ or a ‘Dual 2 ohm voice coil’. Also, they may say 2x4 ohms or 2x 2 ohms.



Single voice coil speaker

A speaker with a single voice coil can be connected to an amp in many ways. If it is a 4 ohm speaker, and the amplifier you have gives out the matching RMS value of the speaker at 4 ohms, then you can connect the speaker straight to the amplifier and away you go.
If you have an amplifier that can handle much more power at 2 ohms, say double the power for example, it would be a good idea to take advantage of this power, but surely you must say ‘I can only do this with a 2 ohm speaker?’ you are wrong.
If you have two 4 ohm speakers and their RMS values added together match the amplifiers output at 2 ohms, you connect both speakers in parallel to the amplifier, then the amplifier would see LESS resistance in the circuit. It would drop the resistance to 2 ohms so it would push out the power it is rated at 2 ohms. This is perfectly safe as long as your amplifier is classed as 2 ohm stable.
You can also do the same to two 2 ohm speakers, as long as power ratings match the amplifier ratings at 1 ohm, and that your amplifier is 1 ohm stable. Connecting two 2 ohms speakers in parallel would make the amplifier see less resistance once again, and would drop the resistance to 1 ohm.

Dual voice coil speaker

You can determine if a speaker has dual voice coils as I described earlier. If it has two 4 ohm coils, then you can wire both voice coils in parallel to give you a 2ohm load, and with a 2 ohm stable amp, will give you a much higher output than you would have had at 4 ohms.

If it has two 2 ohm voice coils, you can wire these in parallel to give you a 1 ohm load, which will once again give you a higher output from your amplifier if it is 1 ohm stable.
You DO NOT have to use both voice coils on the speaker, it is there if you want to get more power from your amplifier as long as it is stable.
Alternatively, if you can’t afford an amp that matches the power rating of the speaker when wired in parallel, you can use 2 amps.

Say the speaker is 1000RMS for example, and has two 4 ohm voice coils. You cant afford an amplifier that gives out 1000RMS at 2 ohms, but you can afford 2 amps that give 500 RMS at 4 ohms each (this is just a scenario ppl so dont slaughter me ), then you could wire two amps to the same speaker. You would connect each amp to one of the voice coils.

Can be the same again for the two 2 ohm coils. Say the speaker is 1200RMS. Once again you cant find or afford (scenario again) an amplifier that gives out this power at 1 ohm, but you can get two amps that deliver 600RMS each at 2 ohms, I think you get the idea.
I hope that clears things up for you
 


with reference to what dink16v said, although technically its not bad to underpower a sub you are much more likely to damage it trying to push the amp into distortion to work the subwoofer harder..this is wahat damages the sub
 


Quote: Originally posted by davidol on 14 July 2004

with reference to what dink16v said, although technically its not bad to underpower a sub you are much more likely to damage it trying to push the amp into distortion to work the subwoofer harder..this is wahat damages the sub
Surely its about restraint.. you set your amps up, you know what max you can put the head unit to.. simple!

I pulled the :sick: face because if Id made a comment like that at Uni Id have been laughed at.. suppose the world of car audio is a fickle one though.. not everyone who runs a system can hear it clipping I guess..!?!

P.S. I still would never buy an amp more powerful than the speakers it was supposed to be running.. ;)
 


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