where are all the tuning packages! (long

[cliotuRS]

lookin at all the avaliable mods from various sites for the clio i have noticed there arent any tuning packages??

Iam very disapointed. With turbo cars there are Stage 1 ,2,3,4 etc.. Chip/decat. Its so easy to gain 30bhp-50bhp from Turbo petrol/diesel with simple chip exhaust / decat.

yet you never really can tell what power from induction.. exhaust.. chip you are getting for you clio and even if its more power it always seems to be smallish gains (8-10bhp isnt enough) relative to the turbos. this is obvious to everone. and the cost for the separate parts can come in higher than an ECU remap for a turbo.

So, why isnt it then that there arent any 200bhp tuning packages for the 172 for example or 210bhp ?

seems to be too much trial and error involved in modding the clio. It would be nice if ktec or bbtuning or other renault performance tuning companies came up with combined packages to reach the standard gains a turbo puts out.

so instead of a chip

30bhp (turbo car) Stage one

It could be 30bhp cams, throttle bodies, ecu, exhaust (sports cat) Stage one equivelent. 200bhp

there must be a large demand for this as it seems people have mixed results, are paying too much and are finding installation difficult with many of the singular after market performance mods, which in turn are brining little gains on their own.

it would be much quicker (and cheaper) to develop performance tuning packages to suit a budget.

BTW im not reffering to 6K for 260bhp turbo clio. iam talkin about £1500-£1700 max. Also dont anyone mention LAD tuning, iam talking about ktec or bbtuning really or any small new firms starting up like dr cages.

 

[telford_mike]

Here you go - stage 1, IK, ECU, Brakes etc etc.. for 172. Much more for valvers as theres more demand.

http://www.hillpower.co.ukhttp://www.hillpower.co.uk

 

[Tom]

Try lad motorsport

They can get 200bhp for about £6

 

[steve a]

lol.

 

[cliotuRS]

Tom i wish the your new title meant you had to post in moderation.

you cack stained pooch fondler.



+ thanx for the advise iam contacting hillpower.










[Edited by cliotuRS on 30 April 2004 at 4:08pm]

 

[BenR]

Why?

Because not many of you are prepared to pay what it takes to get anymore than 185-190bhp with the normal bolt on mods.

So its far easier just ot price on application.

Its not very hard just to call up the company and enquire how much itll cost to do a certain amount of work, or do what is needed to attain 200-210bhp.

The costs do rapidly increase and not many people are prepared to spend over 1.5k-2k in one lump sum tp get 210bhp.

 

[telford_mike]

^^^^ hes right you know. Loads of people have done the usual exhaust / chip / IK thing. How many have done a throttle-body conversion? I know of 1.

 

[cliotuRS]

does that mean it shouldnt be done though? throttle boddies are a good idea surely (unless thats what you getting @ )

 

[Dave Hester]

how much money are you prepared to spend??

 

[philip]

Now that a number of people have tried various routes to increasing performance, its a safe bet that £1.5k will get you close to 200bhp, £2.5k or so will get you near 210bhp. You can go beyond that but youll begin to spend considerably more and I imagine that the reliability of the car may be affected. My advice would be to spend the money on track days though. Thats money well spent as you are increasing the value of - the driver!

 

[richy]

thats the thing , how many ppl will have a lump sum of cash to go and get all the things done in one go, i cant afford that would love to but thats life!

i will be modding my williams but it will have to be done in stages at the moment unless i can find the cash to do it all , hoping toget 170-180 bhp eventually!

 

[Matt16v]

Zorst, cams, head, proper chip, and few other things should see pretty good gains - less than £2k there.

Unfortunatly its well known that turbos are FAR FAR FAR more tunable than n/a engines. They respond to mild bolt on mods in a much more positive way.

My 2 mates Cossies for instance - one has zorst and filter and made 260bhp the other has zort filter and chip and made 284bhp. Thats a gain of nearly 40bhp for one and nearly 60bhp for the other and they cost less than a grand to do!

Nothing will change on that front

 

[BenR]

Quote: Originally posted by cliotuRS on 01 May 2004


does that mean it shouldnt be done though? throttle boddies are a good idea surely (unless thats what you getting @ )







Point is, they can be done, and the options are offered. All you have to do is simpl call up and ask.

I just feel some people (i am NOT pointing the finger at you buddy) need the options for them too clearly defind and lined up infront of them, on a website, as a tuning package. Sure i admit it would make life far easier and be beneficial, BUT with such little turnover on that particular front, its just not worth making and developing a tuning package.

 

[KDF]

If I took my 172 to you ben, gave you 2 Gs... what could you get the power up to ?

Theorectical question but interesting to see what you can get for 2G (which is about the max of what most people will layout in a single go)

Just assume its a standard 172, would all you get for that money be zorst, chip, filter, de-cat and maybe some head work ??

 

[BenR]

Before i touched th exhaust and filter (as the exhaust gains are pathetic) id sort the cylinder head, the inlet manifold would be matched and ported, top of the plenham cut off to profile the runner openings, remap, cams......then choise of exhaust and filter i would leave up to you.

So about 210-215bhp.

 

[telford_mike]

Quote: Originally posted by cliotuRS on 01 May 2004


does that mean it shouldnt be done though? throttle boddies are a good idea surely (unless thats what you getting @ )

Youre right - doesnt mean it shouldnt be done, just doesnt make it a commercial reality! And to be honest thats half the fun of it - experiment - see what happens!


[Edited by telford_mike on 02 May 2004 at 12:43am]

 

[KDF]

Quote: Originally posted by BenR on 02 May 2004
Before i touched th exhaust and filter (as the exhaust gains are pathetic) id sort the cylinder head, the inlet manifold would be matched and ported, top of the plenham cut off to profile the runner openings, remap, cams......then choise of exhaust and filter i would leave up to you. So about 210-215bhp.


*checks credit card*


DOH!


Thats a pretty impressive gain for 2 grand though ! Might see what I can get saved up.