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I priced one up the other day with Supertech valves, and it came to around the £3k mark.
18months? Not quite, by the way it's none of your business how long takes
On the plus side you get to drive around in a v6 courtesy car 
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This pretty much.
I've built an engine for my r26 with supertech pistons, PEC rods, supertech valves and all Renault gaskets, shells, bearings seals, belts etc.
With all the machine work, balancing, cleaning and paint it's nigh on a 3k engine.. that's doing the job properly and replacing pretty much everything.
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Not far off though. No its none of my business but pretty impressed tbf.
Thanks Dave
Couldn't care less what it has or has not had Fred im just pointing out to the OP the timescale this has had. Look forward to seeing the finished result.
Not far off though. No its none of my business but pretty impressed tbf.
Thanks Dave
Couldn't care less what it has or has not had Fred im just pointing out to the OP the timescale this has had. Look forward to seeing the finished result.
Sorry can't help but turn the BIG wooden spoon lol
Monaco Blue 172
Only recommendation I can provide is Damico at Snetterton. He's built/maintained/rebuilt both of my old man's race engines
( http://www.britishracecar.com/ShaunHolmes-MG-MGCGT.htm )
( http://www.britishracecar.com/ShaunHolmes-MG-MGCGT.htm )
Forged pistons and rods and a head gasket and belt kit are about a grand.
So if you just want to write "forged internals" on a spec sheet then you could do it for a grand.
If you want to build one of these engines properly though, I'd budget roughly ten times that including labour.
Almost none of the builds you see done on these engines include proper blue printing techniques like line boring the cylinder head to get exactly the correct tolerances on the cam journals, and same for the crank journals for that matter, rods can be had for a few hundred but spend several times that and you get better ones etc.
It really is a question of how much you have to spend, as you could easily get over the 10K mark without actually wasting any money.
Hell even a new set of standard lifters is best part of half a grand for example, thats long before you consider uprated bits.
Do you want it built to a particular price, or to a particular level of quality, because the too are VERY different beasts!
So if you just want to write "forged internals" on a spec sheet then you could do it for a grand.
If you want to build one of these engines properly though, I'd budget roughly ten times that including labour.
Almost none of the builds you see done on these engines include proper blue printing techniques like line boring the cylinder head to get exactly the correct tolerances on the cam journals, and same for the crank journals for that matter, rods can be had for a few hundred but spend several times that and you get better ones etc.
It really is a question of how much you have to spend, as you could easily get over the 10K mark without actually wasting any money.
Hell even a new set of standard lifters is best part of half a grand for example, thats long before you consider uprated bits.
Do you want it built to a particular price, or to a particular level of quality, because the too are VERY different beasts!
Couldn't care less what it has or has not had Fred im just pointing out to the OP the timescale this has had. Look forward to seeing the finished result.
and i built BIGASH's race winning engine in an afternoon.............
if you're going to make comment please present a balanced argument in future
pretty much what he said
a "forged engine" can be done with cheap bits from China, won't be as good as a proper forged engine
*insert manufacture* rods are about £100 each
Arrows are £250 each
put them side by side and feel the weight of them/see the quality differences you'd go for the Arrows (assuming money wasn't an issue, but in my experience buy cheap buy twice!!)
Not far off though. No its none of my business but pretty impressed tbf.
Thanks Dave
Couldn't care less what it has or has not had Fred im just pointing out to the OP the timescale this has had. Look forward to seeing the finished result.
A year is nothing especially unusual in terms of timescales on an engine build and install etc, especially when you start getting into the realms of finding that components are scrap and you have to source replacements etc, not to mention if the spec creeps during that time, and if its just a background task for Fred to be tinkering on when he gets some spare time, and he is busy, then he isnt going to drop everything to be rushing around looking for a replacement block etc, its just a case of finding one when you find one, I know of loads of people who have waited far longer than that for engine builds, you obviously just dont know many people into modified cars if you think there is anything unusual about that IMHO as it really isnt the huge deal you seem to be making out!
By contrast James Ashton turn up at Freds at lunchtime with a collection of bits, including stuff like a block he'd sourced from me that I had already checked over for etc and asked Fred to quickly assemble it all for him, and he did so that afternoon and then it went straight out and won its next race, but I dont see you continually posting how totally awesome Fred is that when someone desperately needs some bits put together as quickly as possible he will drop everything and do it?
You just come across as on some weird mission to **** Fred off when he has done nothing that I can see which is wrong?
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Oh dear ,Chip save your paragraphs for someone who can be arsed to read them!! I sure as hell can't
Ive mentioned a timescale of which a named person has taken to build an engine thats all! Seems like the usual tarts are out in force to protect them though.
Can't have an opinion on here unless you kiss arse of a select few lol
Yawn.. Have you all finished? :rasp:
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Oh dear ,Chip save your paragraphs for someone who can be arsed to read them!! I sure as hell can't
Ive mentioned a timescale of which a named person has taken to build an engine thats all! Seems like the usual tarts are out in force to protect them though.
Can't have an opinion on here unless you kiss arse of a select few lol
Yawn.. Have you all finished? :rasp:
I just fail to see how you think its useful to the OP or anyone else reading the thread that one particular person does different types of engine builds, some that take longer than others.
There is no arse kiss involved, Ive got not reason to want to try and promote or help Fred and im sure he doesnt need it either judging by how busy he is, Im just trying to help you understand the basic reality of how things OFTEN work in the world of modified engines, the thing that you think is unusual and worth continually banging on about, is just business as usual for lots of people with modified cars.
You think its news and exciting for some reason, but no one else does that an engine build is taking a while, but in reality its just one of thousands of examples of current modified cars in the middle of a long engine build in the UK.
Another ex-trader on here recently built two forged race engines for forum members and both of them have eaten their spark plugs instantly due to some fundamental flaw in either how he built them or how he mapped them, surely thats more interesting for example than just someone taking a long time to do a job to a standard they want to do on a timescale where they can enjoy doing it?
I have never used/met Fred tbh so have no reason to stick up for him but this isn't the first time you've (@MartinR) put him down. What's the real reason to why you try you put him down so much on the forum? Seems like a decent bloke to me.
Its not uncommon for a thread on CS to become one person talking absolute nonsense and then lots of others posting to shoot them down, so it really shouldnt surprise you as much as it seems to.
The next progression is then often others talking about the thread and how they think its progressing and talking about the people posting rather than the actual subject, so likewise your post and this reply shouldnt surprise people either.
Because you keep posting again and again about an engine build he is doing taking a while as if you think thats important information that others need to know about him?
First example to pop up:
http://www.cliosport.net/forum/show...K-s-Trophy&p=10155715&viewfull=1#post10155715
But you forget that presumably?
You are welcome to have as much fun as you want mate, if you think its fun posting rubbish or reading it thats cool cause I think its fun correcting it, so we can all have fun together, lol
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Damn i forgot about that one. Top job on policing my posts though
Any more? Have you told everyone else in that thread who have commented on the time scale?
Damn i forgot about that one. Top job on policing my posts though
Im a journalist not a policeman, so if I have done anything its "report" rather than "police".
No idea, as I said that was just the first one I came to.
No because others mentioning it in that thread were posting on topic for that thread (as were you while it stayed in that thread), rather than dragging it into unrelated threads just to be controversial or to attempt to harm fred's reputation or be hiliarious or whatever your motivation is for bringing it up in here.
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Fun?? Fun with what? Any need?
Can't get my head round how just mentioning something turns the thread like this.
Just like a k-tec thread
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Chip im not out to ruin anyones reputation ffs. Come to think of it you are a fine one to talk mate you run k-tec and 519automotive down consistantly.
Why are you on a mission to ruin their reputations?
330i. E30 Touring.
Quite agree.
Would also put forward that it's not the problems that occur, because everyone makes mistakes, it's how they're rectified.
I'd always encourage anyone to stay away from companies that I dont think are going to give them what they paid for (either through dishonesty or incompetence or bad customer service) and hence the customer is going to end up dissapointed.
I think thats actually a vital part of us helping each other to enjoy their cars (main reason I use forums is to help people, unlike others im not here looking to expand my social circle, although I must confess its been a welcome side effect). But I didnt see you doing that TBH, so to me I dont think they are comparable the way you seem to mate.
Blah blah blah ! You can talk you're the first c**t to post s**t on a thread ! I just love reading it !
