yoko AD08 vs federal RS-R

[ian-speedy]

I see a few threads flying around where the Federals are splitting and coming apart , I was looking at these to put on my track 197 but was put off by this problem and fitted 888's instead

http://clio197.net/forum/showthread.php?t=23657

 

[Chip-mk1]

Similar story here Ian:
http://www.ek9.org/forum/tyre-wheels/48289-faulty-federal-595-rs-r.html

Ive already ordered a set now so will see how I get on as no point in not using them now they are paid for.

 

[Chip-mk1]

Horizontal crack on these ones:
http://www.s2ki.com/s2000/topic/839...l-595-rs-r-vs-bridgestone-re-11/page__st__175


Its not looking good the more I read up on it, I thoguht they were too good to be true for the money, and you know what they say about things that are too good to be true, lol

 

[roystinho]

I read somewhere that they are fine if you heat them up and cool them down in a specific way. Sadly I can't find where I saw it, nor can I remember if it even told you the best way how.

Anyone else read similar?

 

[Chip-mk1]

I read somewhere that they are fine if you heat them up and cool them down in a specific way. Sadly I can't find where I saw it, nor can I remember if it even told you the best way how.

Anyone else read similar?

Those horizontal cracks accross the tyre appear to be where the out layer of rubber is wrapped around the tyre and welded the weld has failed, I cant see any amount of warming up and cooling down "fixing" that issue TBH, especially as it happened to one guy who was just driving around slowly on them to run his engine in, and the radial tears on the outside just seem to be the tyre not being able to take the punishment of really hard cornering.

Sadly they just seem to be poorly made, and even if there was some special way of heat cycling them each time you use them, I dont want to do that, I just want to pull out of the barrier at the ring and onto the track and drive the track fairly hard, not spend half the lap worrying about managing tyre temps to some bizarre pattern that may or may not work anyway.

 

[dmallett]

Mine have been fine so far

 

[roystinho]

Those horizontal cracks accross the tyre appear to be where the out layer of rubber is wrapped around the tyre and welded the weld has failed, I cant see any amount of warming up and cooling down "fixing" that issue TBH, especially as it happened to one guy who was just driving around slowly on them to run his engine in, and the radial tears on the outside just seem to be the tyre not being able to take the punishment of really hard cornering.

Sadly they just seem to be poorly made, and even if there was some special way of heat cycling them each time you use them, I dont want to do that, I just want to pull out of the barrier at the ring and onto the track and drive the track fairly hard, not spend half the lap worrying about managing tyre temps to some bizarre pattern that may or may not work anyway.

This was the reason why I was edging towards the AD08s until this thread came back up. Think it has confirmed that I'll be having the Yokos and when it becomes my track only car then I'll worry over the track tyres - possibly A048Rs...

 

[Chip-mk1]

Mine have been fine so far

Fingers crossed they stay that way then mate

 

[Chip-mk1]

This was the reason why I was edging towards the AD08s until this thread came back up. Think it has confirmed that I'll be having the Yokos and when it becomes my track only car then I'll worry over the track tyres - possibly A048Rs...

I like A048s a lot, seem to last better than 888s when both are very low, as I find when the 888 are down to the last couple of mm they go off quite quickly with heat so you can only get a few laps a time out of them before they start to feel slimey.

Michelin Pilot Sport cups are my favourite tyre but too much money really so I only buy them if I find them cheap secondhand nearly new.

 

[MarcoB]

You would know before they blew out though because the tread stripped would have fucked off a long time before.

I've seen tyres that have worn through the wires and there is about half a mm of rubber holding it together, looks mad.

I don't deal with Federal but I am tempted to try some.

 

[Chip-mk1]

You would know before they blew out though because the tread stripped would have f**ked off a long time before.

I've seen tyres that have worn through the wires and there is about half a mm of rubber holding it together, looks mad.

I don't deal with Federal but I am tempted to try some.

Agreed it shouldnt just fail suddenly if its just the top layer that is peeling off.

Far from ideal though to be delaminating like that.

 

[dmallett]

Fingers crossed they stay that way then mate

Lets hope so! In realitly they havent done that much hard work but since i got home from work ive been out and inspected all 4 for the listed problems.

They are still ok lol

 

[incy-spider]

Ad08's are awesome have done 5000 miles on mine and a week at the ring, have about 6mm tread left. My mate had the RSR's for 3 weeks until his started to de-laminate. He replaced them with ad08's and never looked back especially after they felt so good around nürburgring.

I'd say without goin 888, ao48 they are probably the best road/track day tyre ever made! You won't regret it!!

I managed to knock off 30s this year mainly down to nailing alot more of the track but the tyres felt amazing didn't let me down once and they were getting pushed very hard!!

 

[incy-spider]

Federal RSR's are pure dangerous junk! Sorry had to put that out there!!

 

[Bobby.]

Ffs I go and buy some rsr's after the first two pages of this thread tell me that their definitely worth buying and now page 3 comes along and tells me their going to fall apart lol. Not good when I've got a track day at brands soon,I now don't even want to think about paddock hill bend lol.

Should be all ok, I hope.

 

[Bobby.]

Ffs I go and buy some rsr's after the first two pages of this thread tell me that their definitely worth buying and now page 3 comes along and tells me their going to fall apart lol. Not good when I've got a track day at brands soon,I now don't even want to think about paddock hill bend lol.

Should be all ok, I hope.

 

[Jamie86]

Doh, in two minds now as I need something for my MX5 and the RSR's sounded ideal..

Might wait and see if Chip bins it next week at Quarry then decide

 

[incy-spider]

http://www.ek9.org/forum/tyre-wheels/48289-faulty-federal-595-rs-r.html

 

[Bobby.]

could just be a bad batch?

 

[Steve]

The cracks across the tyres do not seem to effect them.
They are used as the control tyre in the Mazda race series & these guys give them death.
At RTOC my mates 5 did not get overtaken all day & in the wet I was astounded at the speeds through Gerard's.
They are awesome as in you can come straight out the pits & nail it don't need a lap or two to warm up.
For the money what do you want, cheap as chips?

This is the cheapest place; http://www.racecarnewmedia.com/bmtr/news.asp?NewsID=45

Why buy second hand tyres with those prices?

By the way doing trackdays is not cheap

 

[Jamie86]

They don't stock 16's though Steve I emailed them a while back..

 

[Chip-mk1]

Doh, in two minds now as I need something for my MX5 and the RSR's sounded ideal..

Might wait and see if Chip bins it next week at Quarry then decide

Lol

We will be running 888 or a048 if it's dry and rain sports or wets if it isn't mate not the rsr, bought them for the road as the paradas weren't really up for turbo torque.
Or pilot sport cups if we take the Corsa as I've got jobs to do on the clio before using it on track and not sure if I will get chance before Combe next weekend.

 

[Chip-mk1]

The cracks across the tyres do not seem to effect them.
They are used as the control tyre in the Mazda race series & these guys give them death.
At RTOC my mates 5 did not get overtaken all day & in the wet I was astounded at the speeds through Gerard's.
They are awesome as in you can come straight out the pits & nail it don't need a lap or two to warm up.
For the money what do you want, cheap as chips?

This is the cheapest place; http://www.racecarnewmedia.com/bmtr/news.asp?NewsID=45

Why buy second hand tyres with those prices?

By the way doing trackdays is not cheap

Not the cheapest place by quite a bit for 195 50 15.

I paid less than that, 267 delivered for four, ordered Tuesday, arrived yesterday.

Over 300 where you are saying is cheapest, 59 each plus vat and carriage.

 

[Steve]

Prices have gone up since Feb, £68, was the old price for 17's.

Also they usually have stock where as other places don't.

 

[scib4]

Cheapest place for AD08's in 205/45/16 lads?

Mike

 

[incy-spider]

£118 from blackcircles, 0% interest to ha! Got mine trade price from local dealer but was only £5 off per tyre.

 

[roystinho]

£110 from click on tyres in that size. It's where I get my boots from, they're pretty good