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The Power PC Thread [f*ck off consoles]

Anyone else found that Steam Link/remote desktop (through Jump for me) has stopped working lately with the monitor switched off?

It used to be that it would keep pushing out a picture anyway, but now I just get a black screen with audio and input working. Annoying when I use Steam Link quite frequently away from home.
 
Nvidia have unveiled the new 50 series cards at the CES Keynote. Big emphasis on AI, so how they'll benchmark against the previous generation in games is anyone's guess.

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Nvidia's next-gen GPUs prepare for launch.
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AMD are only going to preview their new cards at CES, although have released a little information on naming.

The new desktop cards will be the RX 9000 range, with the 8000 series being used for mobile applications. Their top offering will be the RX 9070XT, if they release some specs in the coming days it may be possible to roughly estimate which NVidia cards it would compete against.

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Looks like nVidia are claiming big performance gains by using the AI cores to drive a new version of DLSS.

Interesting to see the shift from brute rendering performance to frame generation continuing to pick up pace.

Benchmarks should be interesting!
 
Odd one

My PC doesn’t seem to be shutting down properly over the past few weeks. I noticed when shutting it down, after a few seconds it would only take the PC back to the login screen, where I’d need to press shut down again. Occasionally the next day the power button will be flashing white and as soon as my mouse moves the PC boots itself back up again.

FWIW my headset docking base is connected to the PC and it trickle charges it overnight, the board usually stays illuminated. Could this be a factor? I’m sure this is a recent problem though, whereas I’ve had this docking base connected for 2 years. I guess I could start using the on/off switch on the back of the PC but that would stop the headset from charging overnight and wouldn’t really solve the issue.
 
I had this very issue a few years ago. I'm sure its even mentioned in this thread somewhere.
 
I've got my eye on the RTX 5070 which is my sort of budget, have seen no new mention on the RTX 5060. What sort of CPU would be a good choice for that, is the Ryzen 7 9700X a good choice? i presume a 8 core will be better for doing different stuff on the pc other than gaming
 
Geddes said:
I've got my eye on the RTX 5070 which is my sort of budget, have seen no new mention on the RTX 5060. What sort of CPU would be a good choice for that, is the Ryzen 7 9700X a good choice? i presume a 8 core will be better for doing different stuff on the pc other than gaming
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This will be me, i am hoping to upgrade my GPU this year, if not to the 50 series them maybe the 4080/90 will come down in price.
 
What do you lot recomend on when to buy stuff, i'm debating wether to buy some stuff now, if seem the price is ok spread the bits over time or get all the bits together regardless if the price is ok or not . I noticed the Ram is at £89.99 on Amazon got the Corsair DDR5-6000 CL30 , i took screenshots of the spec list and before it was at £110. It's just i wont be ready for another few months yet for the build
 
Geddes said:
What do you lot recomend on when to buy stuff, i'm debating wether to buy some stuff now, if seem the price is ok spread the bits over time or get all the bits together regardless if the price is ok or not . I noticed the Ram is at £89.99 on Amazon got the Corsair DDR5-6000 CL30 , i took screenshots of the spec list and before it was at £110. It's just i wont be ready for another few months yet for the build
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It's difficult to say - the prices can vary significantly due to market factors, factory closures/issues, stock levels, demand, etc. Personally, I just jump in and buy the bits I need when I'm ready to pull the trigger. I don't see the point in sitting on hardware components for weeks/months. If it costs a bit more, so be it. If it works out a bit cheaper, bonus. 🤣
 
As usual CS is the fount of knowledge for anything..

Thinking about buying a desktop to play stuff like Assetto corsa and no doubt the boy will want to play Roblox Minecraft etc.

Happy to buy refurbed, just wondering what kind of spec/money I’d be looking at spending for something that I can just turn on and use.
 
Those games aren't too taxing. A looked after used setup will do.

What's your budget?

Something like this would do 1440p in those games with scope to upgrade later. A bit of hunting and I'm sure you could find a better spec for the same price or the same spec for less money.

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Ph1 Tom said:
Wonder what the price will be... Baseline MSRP is £1939 so I'm guessing £2850 for the ROG Astral
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Rumours hint around the £2600 mark, but I think it might be closer to what you suggest. Thankfully, I can make the card pay for itself through work otherwise it would be a bit of a difficult one to justify. Well, I say that, I'm still daft enough to get one anyway but the prices really are crazy. Especially as I'm looking at a full-rig update this year with new CPU, mobo, RAM, the lot.
 
SharkyUK said:
Rumours hint around the £2600 mark, but I think it might be closer to what you suggest. Thankfully, I can make the card pay for itself through work otherwise it would be a bit of a difficult one to justify. Well, I say that, I'm still daft enough to get one anyway but the prices really are crazy. Especially as I'm looking at a full-rig update this year with new CPU, mobo, RAM, the lot.
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I’m still using my 1050ti 4GB, can’t imagine what my new pc will be like hopefully with the 5070
 
Definitely worth waiting for release and benchmarks, if possible wait till AMD get off their arse and f**king release something.

Slightly concerned at the slow pace and lack of buzz from AMD, everyone knows they're not targeting the highest performance cards, but I hope the new range doesn't turn out to be a total turd.
 
I’ve been set on the Lian li 216 case but I could be wrong but it’s discontinued and the 207 is the replacement, not sure wether to try and locate and wait till someone has one or look at another case. For the the 216 looks better than the 207 plus I’m not keen on the cable management on the 207 with the bulging on the side panel.

Would the B650 Tomohawk motherboard be a still good choice for the 5070 and Zen 5 chip, yes there’s some new motherboards coming out but people on still rate the B650 even with the newer bois update
 
Supposedly the new 50 series cards are roughly 15-20% improvement over the 40 series.

AMD’s new card is looking likely to be at least comparable to the 7900XT but using a less power.
 
Remains to be seen what AMD push out. The last series of cards performed well in certain benchmarks, but they were significantly behind in stuff like Ray Tracing.
Will the new cards have caught up, or will it be more of the same, still essentially a good card, but just can't do certain things.

I wouldn't mind, but IMO the price difference between the AMD and NVidia cards wasn't enough to justify the shortcomings, especially after NVidia juiced it's lineup with the Super cards.
 
R3k1355 said:
Remains to be seen what AMD push out. The last series of cards performed well in certain benchmarks, but they were significantly behind in stuff like Ray Tracing.
Will the new cards have caught up, or will it be more of the same, still essentially a good card, but just can't do certain things.

I wouldn't mind, but IMO the price difference between the AMD and NVidia cards wasn't enough to justify the shortcomings, especially after NVidia juiced it's lineup with the Super cards.
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Already confirmed they're midrange only with some improvements to RT.

7900 XTX will still be the top AMD card.

Wait and see how the 5070 performs in a month's time as that'll be the competition in terms of price.
 
Ph1 Tom said:
Already confirmed they're midrange only with some improvements to RT.

7900 XTX will still be the top AMD card.

Wait and see how the 5070 performs in a month's time as that'll be the competition in terms of price.
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They had originally been saying that their new cards would deliver "4080 performance for £500"
Considering the 7900XTX pretty much sits around that performance level anyway I can't see why they'd keep it around?

When NVidia release the next generation of cards, 7900XTX and the 4800 are the new mid-range level of cards.
 
What are people's thoughts on the new cards driving the 40 series prices down? i would like to upgrade this year if it's not silly money
 
I don't remember it happening much last time to be honest. Pretty sure retailers just kept the prices up and the remaining stock went anyway. I do remember the 6950XT dropped to a really good price before it sold out, but not the NVidia cards.

People are still wanting strong money for the old 30 series NVidia cards today.
 
R3k1355 said:
They had originally been saying that their new cards would deliver "4080 performance for £500"
Considering the 7900XTX pretty much sits around that performance level anyway I can't see why they'd keep it around?

When NVidia release the next generation of cards, 7900XTX and the 4800 are the new mid-range level of cards.
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Disregarding RT. 7900 XTX is more akin to the 4080 Super and in some instances 4090.

7900XT is closer to 4080 which is around where the 9070 XT will be.
 
nVidia have smashed it out the park with the new and emerging tech; some of the CES tech demos are incredible and verging on the ridiculous. How well that translates to games... well, we shall see. Some of the new APIs are great, too, and inclusion in the likes of the evolving DirectX baseline is a good sign (not just for nVidia owners I hasten to add). It's great to see a number of titles have already committed to updates in order to adopt the new tech.

AMD have some good stuff coming as well to be fair, although I'm not sure we will see it this year now. Their new gen RT stuff is a definite step up along with their ML upscaling on RDNA. They might not compete directly against nVidia's top end but you can't ignore them given their raster performance and much better value. It will be interesting to see if the pricing of the mid- and low-end nVidia 50x0 series impacts on AMD prices, as the nVidia MSRPs were a bit lower than expected (ignoring the ridiculous 5090 MSRP). Of course, it's nVidia and AIBs are sure to add a healthy markup that takes the RRP well above MSRP.
 
Let’s face it, they will release with about 16 cards available before they sell out and everyone hikes the prices up due to demand.
 
SharkyUK said:
nVidia have smashed it out the park with the new and emerging tech; some of the CES tech demos are incredible and verging on the ridiculous. How well that translates to games... well, we shall see. Some of the new APIs are great, too, and inclusion in the likes of the evolving DirectX baseline is a good sign (not just for nVidia owners I hasten to add). It's great to see a number of titles have already committed to updates in order to adopt the new tech.

AMD have some good stuff coming as well to be fair, although I'm not sure we will see it this year now. Their new gen RT stuff is a definite step up along with their ML upscaling on RDNA. They might not compete directly against nVidia's top end but you can't ignore them given their raster performance and much better value. It will be interesting to see if the pricing of the mid- and low-end nVidia 50x0 series impacts on AMD prices, as the nVidia MSRPs were a bit lower than expected (ignoring the ridiculous 5090 MSRP). Of course, it's nVidia and AIBs are sure to add a healthy markup that takes the RRP well above MSRP.
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It'll be interesting to see where the RT performance is on the 50 series. 4090 still wasn't 'there' for me.
 
Ph1 Tom said:
It'll be interesting to see where the RT performance is on the 50 series. 4090 still wasn't 'there' for me.
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Sadly, the 5090, 6090, 7090 and 8090 won't be enough for "pure" RT or PT without heavy ML/AI assistance. We are still generations away from having hardware powerful enough to do it without any help. That's why nVidia (and others) are going balls to the wall with AI/neural/ML technologies. There seems to be an awful lot of hate aimed at these new technologies, though! Claims that developers should optimise their games better, or that these technologies and FG (frame generation) etc. are just "fake" frames. No amount of optimisation is going to make realtime RT a reality without AI help!

The new technologies are enablers that are essential in modern rendering pipelines. We are getting to a point where rasterisation is starting to rapidly falloff in terms of gains from one generation to the next. Even a modest GPU can power through ridiculous amounts of shaded (non-RT) geometry and polygon counts are pretty much a thing of the past. It's a bit different to the early days on PlayStation and Nintendo64 where you were pushing things if you had 2000 polygons across an entire level and wanted to hit 24 or 30fps! 🤣 Rasterisation is also a real pain in the ass given the complexity of the shaders needed to realise the high-fidelity visuals we expect. It is all smoke and mirrors and the hoops and hacks needed to get shadows, (many) multiple light sources, AO, reflections, and so forth using pure rasterisation is painful. However, developers have become very good at overcoming many issues over the last 30 years. The move away from rasterisation was always going to happen, but the problem lies in the size of the step needed to take it to that next level. It's a big one. To bridge that gap and to ensure we can attain a good level of visual fidelity as we move towards RT, well, that's where the AI/neural/ML tech comes in. RT does away with a lot of problems and restrictions imposed by the rasterisation render pipeline, but it introduces other problems that are very different to deal with, and require some rather novel (and new) techniques to overcome. It's a very exciting time if you're into the technology rather than just a pure gamer.

I'm rambling. 🤣
 
R3k1355 said:
I don't remember it happening much last time to be honest. Pretty sure retailers just kept the prices up and the remaining stock went anyway. I do remember the 6950XT dropped to a really good price before it sold out, but not the NVidia cards.

People are still wanting strong money for the old 30 series NVidia cards today.
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But with the new cards out and people upgrading the second hand market should hopefully have plenty of 40 series cards available at a reasonable price.
 
Hardware Unboxed was the best for me. 27% better (on average) over the 4090. However, at a cost of 25% more expensive.
 
I didn’t realise it was the same architecture as the 40 series cards 🤦‍♂️ It’s the 4090 Ti then 🤣
 
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