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I still cant decide!! Test drove a Cooper S Works today, bugger me was that fast!! Abit pricey though. I think its either gonna be a 172 or CTR. The Cup was great fun but i want ABS to be safe. Its saved me many times in my VTS!

I dont know how some people afford to run 2 cars?? You allready have a CTR and now you want a Cup?!! You must have a bloody good job thats all i can say!

Thanks for all the replies people, very much appricated. I really dont know what to do! I just test drove a 172 Cup and loved it! But i want a 172 cos of the comforts. The saleman said its noticebly slower:(

So realistically if i walked in my Renault dealer tomorrow with a £5500 VTS and cash, what price could i get them down to?

Bummer. Have to go to a Renault dealer then. How much are they on the road?

How does that work then? Will they do part exchange deals?

Do you get a warranty though??? I want back up if it goes wrong. I reckon i can get £5500 for my VTS.

Im thinking of biting the bullet and going for it.

Dave_Gti, im 22 mate but i have full 5 years no claims, advanced driving certificate and get cheap insurance cos i work for Royal Mail.:)

Thanks alot for the replies people! The Golf R32 is abit too expensive for me really and ive heard the handling is sh*t? I also want a brand new car. Im thinking about a Leon Cupra R 225 or maybe even a Type-R? Their not brash and seem fairly smooth.

Ermmmm..... Scoobys are hardly refined are they! Or Evos for that matter. An Audi would be nice but Clio V6 are about £27,000 arent they?! A 2004 172 is out of the Question though.

I currently own a Y reg Saxo VTS which ive had two years of great fun in but its time for a change. Performance is a must but so is build quality and refinement. My budget is £16-20k.

Shorty, i told you youd love the GTi, handle great dont they. Keep that 16 valver above 4000 rpm and it chuffing flys!

Just remembered another one, Toyota Starlet GT Turbo. Fast little feckers!

Suzuki Swift GTi, nippy but handling was awful!

I wont comment:D

Cos the 1.9 was too powerful for its own good and suffered alot of torque steer. I think the 1.6 had 97 ib/ft of torque but the 1.9 had a mighty 119 ib/ft in a car that weighed about 900 kg!!

Sorry but i disagree. Have you driven both a VTS and 106 GTi??? I own a MK2 VTS which has superb suportive seats, nicely balanced handling and fine steering feel. My mate has an X reg 106 GTi which i drive regularly, the seats LOOK better cos their leather but when driving they dont give more...

Nova SR,SRi,GTE,GSi. Fiesta XR2,XR2i,RS Turbo,RS1800 Astra SRi,GTE,GSi Escort XR3,XR3i,RS Turbo,RS 2000 Im not a Ford and Vauxhall fan.

Ermmmm...... since when has the VTS had 130 bhp?!!!! I think your find the VTS handles just as well mate, its been proved in several track tests. Ive driven a 106 GTi and found it much the same as my VTS but abit softer and more forgiving, you can live on the edge more in the VTS but get it...

Wouldnt really class the ITR as a hot hatch. RS Turbo? Whys that?

The 106 doesnt have better tweaks to it. If you read magazine reviews your find that the VTS is a more focused car offering more bite due to its wider rubber and larger wheels but the 106 is more forgiving. In the right hands, the VTS is a tad quicker around a track proved in the recent Autocar...

Your a brave man 007.

MK1 XR2!!!! Werent they 84 bhp??!!! I know the mk2 had 96 bhp and XR2i had 109 bhp.

I would hope he chose blue, the silver cup is a joke! I thought the idea of the cup was that it was a rare car like the 106 and 306 Rallye? In silver it looks just like a 172.

Torsion bars rule.

Renault and Peugeot or should i say Renault and the PSA group! The hot hatch kings, who needs Essex tin cans?!!

Everyone is choosing the same, my judgement seems good.

The old Type-R was fantastic, i forgot that one! I see you chose the 1.6 205 GTi, is that because it was more balenced?

I love owning a VTS, the respect it gets is great. Just proves you Clio boys are a good bunch. Unlike certain other forums i can think of.