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And this doesn't happen with most models on every forum? Williams, V6, Trophy, Ph1... Caterham? Okay.

:lolup:All anyone has basically said is that ABS is not crucial in order to stop a car. Judging by the amount of posts you have written, I think it will be you that's up late on the interwebz.

Fair enough. I didn't buy my car for the track, so whatever is faster there doesn't interest me. Tracks are all about the driver and their ability. A couple of seconds printed in a magazine means nothing to someone with average ability. Didn't the diesel Seats win lots of touring car...

An induction kit will make it sound better, which is cheap. It gives the engine a bassier, beefier sound.

That's the point, I don't think he will be happy with increases. He'll not notice a whole lot. Stripping it makes sense though.

I reckon you'll be lucky to see an increase of 12hp with these mods.

They can handle it as long as it's not been abused and hasn't done a million miles. Anything above 200 & 300 and it would be an upgrade.

Interior put me off in these. Good cars though.

At least you let him know! A lot don't. People be crazy. Did you cancel as you'd bought the 172? Did you test any diesels?

I know, they run out of revs super quick but that's because the power and torque arrives so early but they have 6 gears. They already out-drag 1*2's in a quarter mile, so remapping will make a considerable difference. And they actually rev round to 5k quite easily, although power has gone by...

£6000 pounds for approx 70bhp...what a complete waste of cash!! (IMO) It will also increase your insurance a fair whack, I would think and fuel costs will jump. I'm sure it's fun and all but I can think of much better fun to be had for £6K, cars included.

Exactly! Maybe if it wasn't available, people would drive better/safer?

Should be getting mine done shortly. Should be good for approx 200bhp and 300 torques, so an increase of around 35bhp and 50lbs/ft of torque. Clio killer!

It's quite funny at times when the person behind thinks the car is broken and backs off.

Be your own man and drive what you want, dude! Diesels are not to be sniffed at, as people are never too sure what they are running. As they can be cheaply modded with large increases, they can be stealthy weapons. You should be able to get an 80 mapped to around 100bhp with a healthy...

Loads of Clios are now running upwards of 200bhp but it ain't cheap!

I'll take the Cup, thanks! Although, I'd prefer it to be standard.

Exactly. And it's not a waste of a car either.

I saw 30mpg (just) in my 3.0 BMW. A 2.0 should be good for mid 30's with mixed driving, imo. Suppose it depends on how tuned the engine is and the driving of course.

It's funny all the people who think the lack of ABS is just outright dangerous! How did we ever manage for the past 100 years without it? Or did every car before ABS was invented find a bush or wall as soon as the there was reason to brake? I had my Cup for 5 years and locked the brakes once...

Actually, it is quite subtle looking. Maybe I've just seen too many chavved up versions. They do sound nice!

It's Autumn btw.

I don't think cars should be available in these colours unless they circa 500hp and have a prancing horse on the front or similar. However, the 182 does look quite nice in LY. Orange ST looks gash!

Looks tidy but too chav these days, imo. Enjoy!

LOL...and how many 5 piece suits are hanging in the back. That's where the torque pays off!

The 170 Golf is rapid! I was looking at these so managed to get a drive in one. It would have no problem with a Cliosupersport. However, they are not worth circa £20,000!

NP!:rasp:

Great choice!

He did, which is why I am questioning the S2000 as I thought these were higher than 17.

S2000 but are they not group 19? 330 Beemer?