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Speak to Fred. There's a guy in Birmingham he recommended to me (can't remeber his name) that I used, was excellent.

+100 tbh.

Re: Whats this Clio worth? £5k-ish. Blueflame h'actually lowers the value ;)

Can you read? I've already said in an earlier post that I don't want a slow car, but the standard is quick enough for what it is. I give up, a you clearly aren't bright enough to understand that I don't feel more power won't make it a better, more fun car. I'll leave you to it.

You're missing my point entirely. Yes, it's fast. But fwd is a lot easier to drive than rwd. There's no challenge. Fun, up to a point. But once you reach that point, more power won't make it more fun. I'd rather drive a 1.8 mx5 than a 400bhp Clio. So far I've spent about £1000 on...

I'd rather spend the money on track days and tuition. I will never, ever, ever want to spend 4k on making a 4pot, fwd shopping trolley fast in a straight line. Especially one with a fairly basic setup and no LSD. Not gonna happen. You posting vids of a Clio that's fast in a straight line won't...

Really? http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/sales/1406883.htm All that vid shows is that it's quick in a straight line. Great. As I've said, but people clearly have trouble reading lol, is that being quick in a straight line, does nothing for me. No, I don't want a slow car, but the standard car is...

No fella. But it would have to be a biblical improvment to convince me it was worth £4k. It won't improve the handling, and that's where my priorities lie. And it would be naive for me to ever consider that my driving couldn't be improved.

A sorted e36 328 sport would be a better spend. I just don't see the point/fun in a more powerful Clio. I'd rather learn to drive the thing fast, the straights are no fun even in a powerful car. Great for pub talk, but it won't make the car more fun. Which is why I've spent close to bugger all...

As said, each to their own. The 172 (or any Clio's if we're honest, bar the Vee) aren't great lookers, but the 200 is the first I would call actually ugly.

Ooofftt. Frankie and bennys???!? Enjoy microwaved food boys? Yuck. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Wouldn't it need aftermarket management, losing tc? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Much as I love the clio's (clearly!), you can't compare fwd to rwd. Take a good example of either, and the rwd car will be more fun, more of a challenge, and take longer to master. You simply have less options with fwd. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Each to their own. The 197 looks fantastic, the 200 is the worst looking rs they've made. By a distance.

You drive a ly car iirc? Ergo your opinion on what's looks good or otherwise, is null and void. ;)

Still hugely ugly.

Spending the money on the Clio is basically pissing it up the wall. If you want a new motor, r26 remapped is a good shout. Good looking motor, enough toys.

Only power upgrade I'd look at would be bodies. Linear, not crazy power, reversible, and sounds great. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Spend the money on learning to drive correctly (road and track tuition) and do lots of track days. You'll enjoy that more than changing cars or sc the 182 (massively pointless on a car that struggles for traction with standard power at times) and it'll give you a skillset you can carry forward...

I've seen vids posted with the plates edited out, would be reet then.

Hankook v12 evo. Brilliant tyre.

Drive them and decide for yourself. Neither are bad cars. IMO the Trophys better to drive, the 197 is the better everyday car. If you want a drivers hot hatch, the trophy can't be beaten. If you want a great everyday car, pay the extra for a golf gti. Pwns a 197 in every respect for me...

And that's the beauty of forums, everyone can give their experiences. Mine was poor. I can only give an honest account of my experience, people have seen the pics and can make their own mind up.

+1. Poorly fitting, heavy, and very poor service when I raised issues about the fit.

Yes. By a country f**king mile. Agreed re ktec though. The sell more of their own product, which they no doubt make a greater profit on, than a competitors. Big surprise lol.

Yeah. Think I've seen you a few times, I'm usually heading to the m5.

I'll take you out on my kw's. Convince you too wait ;)

You nearly got a phone call 5mins ago. "erm Fred, I've crashed in the snow. Fix me please??". Missed a big one by inches.

I don't think 2 people have ever agreed with me on here. I feel dirty.

Yep, list the spec and ask opieman.