16s OR 17s The MASS-DEBATE!! Ahem! ;)

BenFromOz · Mar 11, 2002

Thanks BenR,

Im pretty sure theyre SX GTs (havent got the car yet but Im planning ahead).

Im certainly no expert on this stuff - can I use different width wheels with the same tyre or do I have to get a certain width to use the existing michelins? If so, why? Doesnt seem logical to me.

BenR · Mar 11, 2002

well, i got 7" wide wheels, and my 195/50/r15 p5000s fit on, but i wouldnt reccomend (neither do the manufacturers) going too wide as it kida defeats what the side walls of the tyres were designed to do. If you put them on say a 8" wide wheels instead of the 6" there designed to go on. The angle of the sidewall to the vertical, is greater. This means that the sidewall which was meant to work at say 15 degrees is now working at 25-30 deg. The tyre will wont work as designed and you will destroy the sidewalls as they flex and actually wear against the road. Meaning less miles per tyre and impared handling!

Adam Munn · Mar 12, 2002

Cheers Craggy glad you like em, they are a real head turner. People say i want it to be a willy, but b****cks, i just think that the renault blue and gold looks class! They are called monzas not motorsport though, and i got some different centre caps than those horrible cone type ones you normally see.

BenFromOz · Mar 12, 2002

BenR,

Thanks for that.

I just bought a local motoring magazine in which the Clio Sport came 9th out of a field of 21 for their performance car of the year. Anyway, according to their specs tyres are Pilot SX 195/50/15 and wheels are 15x7.

Guess Ill go with the 15x7 SuperTs - are they heavier than the SuperLs?

GR7 · Mar 12, 2002

BenFromOz, what eight cars beat the Cliosport?

BenFromOz · Mar 12, 2002

In order as follows:

1. M3
2. 911 Carrera
3. Evo VI
4. MX-5 SP (Australian model - fast!)
5. 911GT2
6. WRX STi
7. MB C-32 AMG
8. CSV Veloce (based on local GM car)
9. The Mighty Clio

In good company Id say and well and truly beats them all on price of course.

They recorded a 0-100 (0-62) time of 7.76 - which means Ive seen quoted 0-100 times of between 6.6 and 7.76 seconds now.

Glennclio16v · Mar 12, 2002

They had better not stop producingthe anthracite SuperLeggeras!!
At least not until i get me some!!

Man-Chun · Mar 12, 2002

Ive ordered 16inch SuperLs. Who else here has SuperLs for there 172?.

Chun.

BenR · Mar 12, 2002

the super Ts are about twice as heavy as the super Ls in 17" form. I have seen some 15" super Ls on a black clio and nothing has looked so mean!
And with it being so hot in Oz, intake temps would be up, reducing power and hot roads mean less traction. the official 6.8 sec was probably done in cold france on a sunny day, with different tyres.

cse · Mar 12, 2002

so comparing the super ts to the super ls in weight, acceleration would be better with the super ls, but top speed affected ? or just pick up at high speed ?

BenR · Mar 12, 2002

top speed will be affected, but how many times do yo get up to 140mph? it will get there, just take longer. Id rahter acceleratre faster. And the lower unsprung weight means that the car will handle better.

Fred@BTM · Mar 13, 2002

Ive got super Ls!!! They weigh about the same as my old 15s

Glennclio16v · Mar 13, 2002

Are your SuperLs 17s Fred??

cse · Mar 13, 2002

yeah, i dont mind the top speed changing, just wanted to make sure i was looking at this from the right angle

BenR · Mar 13, 2002

i generally look from a good solid 97.5 deg.

klmillard · Mar 13, 2002

I just fitted 17s and they where no problem to fit at all.

My car is tottly slammed but only needed the black mud reflectors taken out front and back.

Spent about an hour and a bit doing this.

My car will be in the gallery soon as i have sent Geoff my pics, just waiting for him so take a look!!

Kev

BenR · Mar 13, 2002

next to teh rear bumper there is a lip you might want to knock flat with a hammer and dolly as this can rip your tyres apart really fast!!
Also, anybody got some oldis michelin SX GTs they would want to give me if i can get you some cheap pirellis!
or any other 195/50/15 tyres!?

Fred@BTM · Mar 14, 2002

Yep mine are 17inch OZ Superleggeras with 205/40 Toyo T1-S tyres, and they weigh about the same as my old renault 15s!!!!!

BenR · Mar 14, 2002

17" on an 1.2?
is is apost 98 model?
if not, how low can you go?

BenFromOz · Mar 14, 2002

Out of interest, what were the wheels on the Mk1 172?

Fred@BTM · Mar 14, 2002

Mk1 172 has 15inch Oz F1s (i think)

nickg123 · Mar 14, 2002

14" Actually.

Glennclio16v · Mar 14, 2002

Indeedely Doodely! 15" F1 Cups!

I have found a place that offers 17"x7" OZ Superleggeras for £790 wheels+tyres! However i would have to pay them on finance so this price would go up! But i found another place that offers them for £850 but with a buy now pay in 6 months option - which i like the sound of!

Fred@BTM · Mar 14, 2002

172s dont have 14s!!! I was at a meeting last night with 5 of them!!! and all of the MK1s had 15inch F1s

nickg123 · Mar 14, 2002

Sorry, i always thought they were 14"s - they look Tiny anyway - thats the first thing youd have to change on a Mk1 172.

Craig Adams · Mar 14, 2002

well my clio 1.2 16v dynamique isnt exactly fast so i dont think acceleration or top speed matter too much so when the tyres wear down I will have to get at least 17s!!!

Fred@BTM · Mar 14, 2002

Thats exactly why i got 17s

BenR · Mar 14, 2002

i actually think the car looks mean on 15". same with a mini on 10" whels insead of stupidly large 13" wheels.

Black Clio · Mar 15, 2002

Its simple: 17" for looks and if you had cash to spare, 16" for better proformance and road handling and 15" If you want to stay original and cant afford another set! I would personally go for the 17" for day to day use and slap on the 15"s with some slicks when going to the track, right Ben?

BenR · Mar 15, 2002

haha...yeah, and slicks dont work on the same, mega small profile tyres that road tyres do...there is a reason F1 tyres have such a huge side wall.

Glennclio16v · Mar 18, 2002

Well thanks for all your replies! You have all helped me make my final decision!!

Which is..........

.....OZ SUPERLEGGERA 17"x7"!!!!!

ARRIVING TOMOROW!!!!!

Fred@BTM · Mar 18, 2002

You Bloody copy cat!!!!!! Only joking!!!!Ha Ha!! Good choice mate, how much did you pay in the end????

Glennclio16v · Mar 18, 2002

Paid £850 () from Wheel-Base cos they are the only people i could find who would let me pay it off at no extra cost over 6 months!

Laid down 250 to start with so i can cover 100 a month!

Fred@BTM · Mar 18, 2002

What tyres???

Glennclio16v · Mar 18, 2002

Yokos!

Fred@BTM · Mar 18, 2002

Good price!!!! I wish i couldve paid interest free for 6months!!! I had to stump up £750cash for my wheels from Danny172!!!! although mine do have Toyo T1-S on them!!! The front two took a beating at the weekend when i was at Santa Pod!!! And before anyone starts and says that i shouldve put my 15s on etc etc i didnt see the point cos its a 1.2 not a 172!!!!

Glennclio16v · Mar 18, 2002

Twas the only way forward!

Ooooooh this time tomorow theyll be on my car!

Fred@BTM · Mar 18, 2002

Now now, be nice, if they want to put 15s on their car let them!! well just look 10x better!!! HAHAHA!!!!!!!! (and go slower, i know, i know!!!!!!!)

Glennclio16v · Mar 18, 2002

Im gonna weigh a superL wheels against one of my standard wheels tomorow, itll be interesting to see the difference - especially as they are 17to15! If the weight is not much different the diameters are only 1.1cm apart! So performance loss may not be too great!

klmillard · Mar 18, 2002

G13NN,

I JUST GOT 17S ON MINE (SEE IT IN THE 16V GALLERY) AND ALTHOUGH THEY LOOK THE TITS THE PERFOMANCE AND HANDLING LOSS IS QUITE BAD!

IF I NEW HOW JUST HOW BAD IT WOULD BE I WOULD HAVE CONSIDERED 16S BUT THEN AGAIN WOULD HAVE STILL BROUGHT THE 17S AS THEY LOOK THE TITS!!!!!

KEV

16s OR 17s The MASS-DEBATE!! Ahem! ;)

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