172 & 172 cup differences

[Cup_Phil]

Ok guys/gals I'm getting a 172 in January / February - Moving on from 7+ long years of Pug 106 ownership

I went out in a mates 172 cup earlier in the week and loved it

I'm now trying to decided between the standard 172 or the cup

Could anyone give me a list of the actual differences between them?

Do the cup alloys (turinis?) fit directly on the non cup 172?

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After that, assuming I get a cup as thats the way I'm leaning at the moment - what's the "must have" mods?

I like a bit of antisocialism so an exhaust and decat will be high up on my list - plus I've heard K-Tec do some fairly competent and cheap coilovers?
What about induction kits?
And any other kind of essential bits?

I could be barking up the wrong tree but I know from 106's that uprating bushes and getting some decent suspension is kinda essential lol

 

[-J-]

Cup info - http://www.renaultsport.co.uk/roadcars/heritage/172cup/

Basic difference between 172 and 172 cup - Cup has No ABS, No Leather and has the Turini Alloys and is lighter than the normal 172.

Cup alloys will go onto a 172 yes.

Must have Mods - decent brake set up Brembo HC discs and DS2500 done imo

 

[Cup_Phil]

What sort of options/prices do you have for 4-pots and rear cages?

 

[-J-]

Check the K-Tec site -

http://www.k-tecracing.com/

 

[DMS]

People will tell you that 4 pots aren't needed. The standard brakes are very good and can be made even better with uprated disks, pads, braided lines and fluid.
As for cages, there are a few on the market but I'm not best placed to answer. I know K-Tec do one or two different ones but it's not something I've looked into yet.

 

[Christophe]

I only got some braided brake lines and replaced my brake fluid and i notcied the difference so i'm sure some uprated disks and pads would be enough

 

[Cupster]

People will tell you that 4 pots aren't needed. The standard brakes are very good and can be made even better with uprated disks, pads, braided lines and fluid.As for cages, there are a few on the market but I'm not best placed to answer. I know K-Tec do one or two different ones but it's not something I've looked into yet.

Get a 172cup .....do this ^ .....Done!

....unless you can stretch to a 182 (with Cup packs! not a 182cup! )

 

[Budgie]

Use the search. ( ;

No, in all seriousness, the 172's aren't as reactive as 106's to things like mani, induction and exhaust. You can spend £500, and not see many gains at all.

That money is much better spent on suspension and brake upgrades. A decent set of coilies, and Brembo disks, ds2500s, braided lines and 5.1 fluid will see you a pretty capable little car!

172 with turinis over a cup though. Decent seats, AC, ABS are the main differences.

Oh, and make sure you get one with the cambelt etc changed! That's a £4-500 job, on the 172's. Cups are slightly cheaper because of the lack of ABS.

 

[JCC]

Oh, and make sure you get one with the cambelt etc changed! That's a £4-500 job, on the 172's. Cups are slightly cheaper because of the lack of ABS.

You mean the lack of Air Con

 

[-J-]

Oh, and make sure you get one with the cambelt etc changed! That's a £4-500 job, on the 172's. Cups are slightly cheaper because of the lack of ABS.

I think you mean lack of Air Con (Although some Cups did have CC as a Option)

 

[Budgie]

LOL! Of course I do. Writing in a hurry..

ABS/AC. Meh.

 

[Gaz_]

Use the search. ( ;

No, in all seriousness, the 172's aren't as reactive as 106's to things like mani, induction and exhaust. You can spend £500, and not see many gains at all.

That money is much better spent on suspension and brake upgrades. A decent set of coilies, and Brembo disks, ds2500s, braided lines and 5.1 fluid will see you a pretty capable little car!

172 with turinis over a cup though. Decent seats, AC, ABS are the main differences.

Oh, and make sure you get one with the cambelt etc changed! That's a £4-500 job, on the 172's. Cups are slightly cheaper because of the lack of ABS.

RLY?

Didnt realise that cheap leather covers made them better?

 

[Riley!]

cup all day long mate. As for must have mods -

As said brakes. Brembo h/c's, ferrodo ds2500, braided lines and I personally run ate racing blue fluid

Most induction kits give no gain what so ever, infact its fairly common people fit them and go back to standard airbox with ITG panel filter. The ph1 airbox is said to be better along with a CAF

Matched inlets are a nice affordable little mod for the engine

Exhaust is pretty much down to personal pref and how loud or not you want to go. 182 manifolds are compatable with a custom link up pipe. 182 manifolds are 4-2-1 rather then 172 is 4-1 But a ball ache to fit but that is a grey area on this forum whether it makes a differance or not, seems the fact its a ballache to fit that people dont like this mod

Suspension - Solid top mounts are are a bit of a must have due to squeaking from standard ones and improved handling with them. Kam racing sell the AST's which are adjustable for camber etc. As for lowering eibach sportlines on standard shocks seem to satisfy most, but for youself I think you would want a stiffer shock to go with if not then coil overs. I personally find sportlines on standard shocks give to much body roll leading to understeer

Mapping - Rs Tuner is a handly cheap little gadget for loading up maps and also accessing the vehicles diagnostics etc

Prob missed a fair few bits and bobs but im sure others will fill you in

 

[ABOO]

What, there's differences between 172FF and Cup??

Never seen a thread about it. Will have to do a search..

 

[nth]

What, there's differences between 172FF and Cup??

Never seen a thread about it. Will have to do a search..

apparently theres no such thing as a 172FF.

 

[Jonff]

apparently theres no such thing as a 172FF.

That's DrRollo's line lol.

 

[nth]

That's DrRollo's line lol.

indeed...
http://www.cliosport.net/forum/showthread.php?t=331210

 

[cat171]

Ther isn't no, it's a 172 or a 172 cup.

 

[Alan]

Go for a cup, fire some xenons on it, some sportlines and you're away..

172's are a bit...hmm unless modded..

 

[Sir_Dave]

Buy a cup, then do the following:

Fit Ferodo DS2500's, Brembo HC's, braided lines, dot 4, espace v6 airbox with ITG filter & purchase a ktec stealth when the original exhaust falls off.

You dont need to do anything else whatsoever imho. You will simply make it worse for everyday driving and A/B roads. Then, like many people, you will tire of your stripped, coilovered clio & sell it for some boring family barge.

2 weeks later, you will buy another clio as the family barge is boring.

Thats how we role on CS tbh.

 

[Jonff]

Painting the side bullets to colour co-ordinate it, are a must too :rasp:

 

[Alan]

LOL...i've managed to stay 'off' Clio's for 6 months now..and tbh when i see cups for around 4k i get a semi...n say hmm..track car..

 

[.Ben.]

Buy a cup, then do the following:

Fit Ferodo DS2500's, Brembo HC's, braided lines, dot 4, espace v6 airbox with ITG filter & purchase a ktec stealth when the original exhaust falls off.

You dont need to do anything else whatsoever imho. You will simply make it worse for everyday driving and A/B roads. Then, like many people, you will tire of your stripped, coilovered clio & sell it for some boring family barge.

Agree completely.

I would also add that Sportlines improve the car considerably too!

 

[ABOO]

Ther isn't no, it's a 172 or a 172 cup.

One's a size 8 then, the other a size zero

 

[Gaz_]

172 Cup, best looking 172 - fact

 

[Plummer]

Exhaust is pretty much down to personal pref and how loud or not you want to go. 182 manifolds are compatable with a custom link up pipe. 182 manifolds are 4-2-1 rather then 172 is 4-1 But a ball ache to fit but that is a grey area on this forum whether it makes a differance or not, seems the fact its a ballache to fit that people dont like this mod

Martyn will disagree big time.

His made around 165bhp standard, and then 180ish with the 182 mani.

 

[Riley!]

Martyn will disagree big time.

His made around 165bhp standard, and then 180ish with the 182 mani.

I personally dont see how it cant be an improvement but like I say there a lot on here that say otherwise

 

[Si]

why don't you buy some bodies for your 106? iirc ftw holla.