172 / 172 cup, not meaning to cover old ground here

[tomdbomb61_djtj]

I have narrowed down my choice for a new car, mainly due to financial restrictions of now being a home owner. Changing from a 2000 reg 1.4 to a MK2 172. I notice the obvious differences between the CUP and the standard 172, believing to be the CUP to not have leather interior, and not having AC. appart from that i know nothing about differences mechanically, 0-60 times etc. Without fueling a heated debut, and yes i am lazy and yes i am at work so sifting through pages of old threads is something i cannot be bothered to do, can we enlighten me as to the differences between the 2? thanks

 

[blink172]

Cup- Slightly quicker with no gadgets (unless you get one with AC/Ltd Ed CC)

Chubby- Slightly slower, with Cruise, ABS, CC, 1/2 Leather, Xenon, Spare.

TBH, Cruise is a waste of time unless you only ever drive it on mways, xenons are quality, 1/2 leather doesnt hold you in as well, ABS is a liability in the snow, Not having ABS is a liability if you're a s**t driver and AC/CC is nice in the summer.

 

[recaro182]

end of thread

 

[tomdbomb61_djtj]

0-60 time differences?

 

[Tyson-182]

Book figures are 6.5 for the Cup and 7.1 dor the 172 FF...

Tyson.

 

[tomdbomb61_djtj]

thanks, I am being drawn towards the cup. Just need to find a unmolestered one .

 

[Floodie]

Book figures are 6.5 for the Cup and 7.1 dor the 172 FF...

Tyson.

Bloody hell - that alone would be my reason to get a cup plus the fact i already have one ... dunno why but id hate a "7 second car".. no offence chaps....

 

[blink172]

Official stats were 6.9 to 62mph for the cup, 7.1 for the chubby.

That was 'book', regardless of what GTechs/Evo tell you.

 

[Weeman]

shame Jon R on here just sold a very rare silver one, never raced or tracked.

 

[Tyson-182]

^^^ Lol..As everyone says, there is nothing in it in day to day driving, but Cup drivers do excell in the performance stakes, straightline or corners...

Tom, i don't think you will find an unmolestered one, as the 2.0 Litre lump loves to be revved! Especially in a Cup, as they are more of a "drivers" car.

Tyson.

 

[Englebert]

My only problems with the Cup is lack of ABS and the fact that despite being dirt cheap brand new, second hand they're more expensive than a comparable 172. I know they are rarer but considering the lack of Xenons and leather, i wouldn't, and didn't, pay more!

 

[DanCup]

i was in same dilema as you mate..........wanted the mod con's from a FF 172, but found a mint Cup and fell in love!

wouldnt change it at all now, also you get turini's and mondial blue!

 

[sh33n]

There's always loads of Cups up for sale; you can get clean examples np.

 

[Phill1978]

not just missing ABS, climate, spare. its also got a lot less sound deadening and thinner glass even ! 40mm wider track makes it feel like a bigger more stable car and its lower too.

6.5 book as far as iam aware. but even if its not. i can assure you (as ive owned/ both) 80kg - 2.5kg (minimum) x 4 = 10kg saving on unsprung weight of Cup`s Turinis. so actually 90kg

and as some claim 1kg of unsprung weight is equivelent of 1bhp so do the math on that.

of course some 172`s put out poor power as do some 182`s.

a manufacturers power (170bhp) spec cup will do 6.5 in 60

its a faster car in my experience, getting better with the more weight you remove. 110kg + 10kg unsprung by removing back seats. makes around 1004kg

still both great and my cup is V.noisy on motorway and will be murder in summer no doubt.

 

[recaro182]

If your leaning towards a cup, i have a friend who is selling an absolute minter, very low milage (12K IIRC), never been tracked, always kept serviced and garaged. pm me if your interested.

Sorry to hijack the thread slightly

 

[Phill1978]

or you could buy that track prepped one thats an absolute flyer with £££ mods on and in mint condtion in the forsale section

 

[James172Cup]

shame Jon R on here just sold a very rare silver one, never raced or tracked.

Steady sonny........

 

[tomdbomb61_djtj]

no no a standard one for insurance purposes!

 

[k77nan]

I test drove a standard car a couple of times and thought it was fantastic, but then the cup came our and I had to have one. I thought it was a much better car on the road, and I'm now on my second...first was an 02 plate, but now got a 53 plate with climate. Don't miss the toys, except obviously the climate - I know it kind of defeats the object but they do get bloody hot in the summer!!! - and it is always a hoot to drive. Keep being tempted to change it for something else, but then realise that there is little that can keep up with it without spending silly money!...Buy one, you'll love it!

 

[Neil82]

I have narrowed down my choice for a new car, mainly due to financial restrictions of now being a home owner. Changing from a 2000 reg 1.4 to a MK2 172. I notice the obvious differences between the CUP and the standard 172, believing to be the CUP to not have leather interior, and not having AC. appart from that i know nothing about differences mechanically, 0-60 times etc. Without fueling a heated debut, and yes i am lazy and yes i am at work so sifting through pages of old threads is something i cannot be bothered to do, can we enlighten me as to the differences between the 2? thanks

You have been here since Nov 2003, you seriously telling me you don't know? You f.......

 

[Neil82]

I test drove a standard car a couple of times and thought it was fantastic, but then the cup came our and I had to have one. I thought it was a much better car on the road, and I'm now on my second...first was an 02 plate, but now got a 53 plate with climate. Don't miss the toys, except obviously the climate - I know it kind of defeats the object but they do get bloody hot in the summer!!! - and it is always a hoot to drive. Keep being tempted to change it for something else, but then realise that there is little that can keep up with it without spending silly money!...Buy one, you'll love it!

If its standard there are LOADS of cars that will keep up im affraid.

 

[mini ripper]

I test drove a standard car a couple of times and thought it was fantastic, but then the cup came our and I had to have one. I thought it was a much better car on the road, and I'm now on my second...first was an 02 plate, but now got a 53 plate with climate. Don't miss the toys, except obviously the climate - I know it kind of defeats the object but they do get bloody hot in the summer!!! - and it is always a hoot to drive. Keep being tempted to change it for something else, but then realise that there is little that can keep up with it without spending silly money!...Buy one, you'll love it!

I agree I have just got a 04 cup with climate and it is the mutts nuts not had much time to drive it cos been working to pay for it! As for the ABS issue only a problem in the wet but then you should be drving steady anyway in the dry they are very good breaks indeed.

 

[mini ripper]

If its standard there are LOADS of cars that will keep up im affraid.

I am sure there are but do they all handle as well! Straight line speed is all well and good but I love nothing more than a fast twisty road and then the cup has realy not got many other preditors!

 

[stevo172-RWD]

for the price of a cup 53plate you could of got 172 (nothing in it)all the extras! and mybe a little turbo conv! plus uprated suspension/brakes.then not much would catch you.....:rasp:

 

[tomdbomb61_djtj]

You have been here since Nov 2003, you seriously telling me you don't know? You f.......

you what? oi dick wit you got a problem with my post feel free to PM , thanks

 

[Phill1978]

i think the price to performance ratio is higher than anything that has ever been "officially" released in this country thus far in 50+yrs of motoring

originally £10k for 0-60 in 6.5
this figure was about three years ago also !! even now with cars getting heavier not many can touch this.

example 250bhp/250+lbft 2.8 V6 TURBO VXR Vectra 0-60 = you guessed it 6.5 price £25,000+ remap all you like as cornering wont touch a cup let alone a Cup on H&R, LEDA etc..

do a few tweaks to 190hp on a cup with no seats and you have 190hp pertonne.

mine cost £7.5k with 11k miles on and in mint condition, an absolute bargin imo. still does 40mpg also.

only insurance is high on this car

 

[tomdbomb61_djtj]

cheers for the responses guys I must say I am torn though! i love the colour of the Cup, the wheels and the blue inside. my only niggle is the lack of leather + AC. coming from a 1.4 i wouldnt mind a bit of leather!

 

[stokedRich]

Cup m8 you won't regret it here's some stuff from the sex wee Cup Brochure that I ocassionally treat myself to viewing...

• 3mm lower
• 20mm wider front track
• 89 kg lighter
• Front Castor angle increased by 3 degrees
• 200 NM torque @ 5400 RPM
• 170 BHP per tonne
• 10mm wider rear track
• 16" proper race alloys 'Speedline Turinisexweewees'
• 400 metre standing start in 14.8 seconds (?)
• Mossa seats
• Mondial Blue baby

Have taken some pictures of my porno mag for you:
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[k77nan]

You could pick up a cup with c/c, then if you really wanted the leather you could fit it after for around £400...you'd have the best of both worlds then!!!

 

[furry_cup]

cups are better, by far!

 

[pecan]

for the price of a cup 53plate you could of got 172 (nothing in it)all the extras! and mybe a little turbo conv! plus uprated suspension/brakes.then not much would catch you.....:rasp:

All that work for the price of a Cup eh? Where do you shop again..?

 

[Clart]

LOL!

Gaybear is selling a minter at the moment tom

 

[JayR]

You could pick up a cup with c/c, then if you really wanted the leather you could fit it after for around £400...you'd have the best of both worlds then!!!

I would have that!!! Lol

 

[Neil82]

for the price of a cup 53plate you could of got 172 (nothing in it)all the extras! and mybe a little turbo conv! plus uprated suspension/brakes.then not much would catch you.....:rasp:

Why would he want to do that to a 172? They are unreliable enough standard never mind adding a turbo to them. For the price it cost you to buy your 172 and then mod it there are plenty of cars out there that are will catch you.

 

[Ally]

lol at Stokecitypottermouse...

TBH if you're after climate and leather then just go for the full-fat version. In everyday driving there's little between the Cup and the FF - and you've mentioned you're wanting a little bit of luxury. You're not going to miss out on much performance if you get the FF.

But if you could live without ABS, climate and leather then the Cup would be a better buy. I couldn't, so got a FF 172!

 

[Phill1978]

lol at Stokecitypottermouse...

TBH In everyday driving there's little between the Cup and the FF -

thats just not true. Lots of 172MKII`s dont make their claimed power (one recently RR`d with 135hp !! but that was broken from factory) a 172cup is faster and will overtake a 172MKII no prob imo. removing weight in my MKII172 didnt have the same effect as removing it in my cup also.

110kg is a big diffo.

hear is my theory a 150bhp motorbike ( gsxr) has 952 bhp pertonne. a bugatti 1000bhp (987) has around 650bhp pertonne. the motorbike will be faster in a straight line although maybe not much as bugatti has HUGE LBFT maybe that would make it even

my point is, one weighs 160kg and one weights 2000kg

the cup 1020kg weighs less so every hp counts for more = 169.34 hp per tonne (unsprund weight of turinis on that increasing to a theoretical 174bhp pertonne)
the MKII fullfat 172 weighs 1110kg so = 155.61 pertonne

in basic terms, both with same hp side by side the cup has a 15bhp advantage. so look at it in another way two Identical weighted cars one with 100hp one has 115bhp which one will be faster (+ unsprung extra advantage on the cup)

now the argument for buying a jap turbo car to whip a cup is not always a great one look at chris n nics`s cup slightly stripped (no back seats thats it i think) decat, induction kit, r-sport remap. only puts out 185bhp but i have vids to prove it beating scoob`s down the 1/4mile and almost by a bonnet lengh beating 0-60.

cheap as chips, basic "chav style" mods and yet produces accelaration that rivals at roughly 245-250bhp saloon level due to weight.

there wont be another car like the cup again, no ABS, ultra light great Power to weight and feedback through steering suspension. just look at the new 197 (194hp) 1210kg (without driver) less hp pertonne than cup, less top speed, more steering assistance less feedback no doubt (like megane) etc.. even a 197 RSMKII Cup will probably be only 20kg lighter due to rules reg`s of nowadays just like the 182cup.

the cup was the last great true supermini/hothatch imo, great economy reasonable costs, cheap running yet fun and suprisingly fast.

THE END.

 

[MarkCup]

Yup ^^^

 

[gazcaddy]

the cup was the last great true supermini/hothatch imo, great economy reasonable costs, cheap running yet fun and suprisingly fast.

THE END.

Not really as the 182 with cup packs offers all the toys of the 172, the handling of the 172 cup and virtually the same perofrmance (i think autocar had the 172 cup 0.1 secs faster to 100 and evo had the 182 0.2 secs faster to 100)

I agree the 172 cup is faster than the 172 but I think it would struggle to overtake a std 172 on the road

 

[sh33n]

Not really as the 182 with cup packs offers all the toys of the 172, the handling of the 172 cup and virtually the same perofrmance (i think autocar had the 172 cup 0.1 secs faster to 100 and evo had the 182 0.2 secs faster to 100)

I agree the 172 cup is faster than the 172 but I think it would struggle to overtake a std 172 on the road

A 172 Cup should at least in theory handle better, it's not just about springs and dampers, the fact it's lightweigth helps handaling.

Rather boring topic this though, the same old, and everyone is too biased, I am, lol.

 

[gazcaddy]

A 172 Cup should at least in theory handle better, it's not just about springs and dampers, the fact it's lightweigth helps handaling.

Rather boring topic this though, the same old, and everyone is too biased, I am, lol.

Also unless you go on a track you will never get near the handling capabilities of any of the renaultsport Clios