172 cup or ph1 172?

[Wests Renault]

My next car is going to be made into a track car but would would you say was the best base to work from:

172 cup
OR
ph1 172

Which is lighest in standard form and which can be made lightest?

Tom

 

[clio_luke]

as a track car i would go for a ph1. cheaper, 15" wheels/tyres. can be stripped as light or even lighter maybe than cups. depends how far you want to go with it, a lot can be done. if you are looking for a ph1 try and get one with an alloy bonnet like my brother, nice and light!

 

[Henry]

think most would suggest you've got them in the right order in your OP

have a read of the difference in specs - weight, ABS, cable throttle, etc

 

[Wests Renault]

does the ph1 come with ABS and A/C?

I know A/C can be removed but ABS presumably cant?

 

[Martin_172]

has abs and air con yes, id go ph1, as said above make sure it has an aluminium bonnet

 

[JCC]

You'll get a much cheaper decent Ph1 than you will a cup = more money to turn it into a weapon.

 

[ForceIndia]

ABS can be removed, I believe Tom did with his 182. I'd say Ph1. Near the same weight (so cheaper with AC out), cable throttle (more responsive), and I've heard several people say that the ph1 engine seems to get more power from mods.

If you're round Birmingham way anytime soon, welcome to have a go in mine.

 

[Henry]

think most would suggest you've got them in the right order in your OP

obviously not, so far!
this place does make me wonder about alot of things sometimes!

 

[Fletcher]

Have a look in here...

http://www.cliosport.net/forum/showthread.php?t=457904

 

[PaulyA610]

This was the dilema i had, i went for the ph1 as it was half the price. And goes just as well!

 

[Jamie]

I think if it's going to be a track car it's got to be all about cost? No? I'd get the cheapest you can in the best condition. The ph1 172 by all accounts is a decent car so it probably will make little difference. If you're going to be fitting coilovers anyway the standard set-up is almost irrelevant. However, maybe a small consideration could be buying a cup and all the bits you could sell to generate cash. I.e. the Turinis, Cup spoiler, that is, if you're fitting 15's and wanting to minimise costs.

 

[bill]

is there only certain ph1 that have alloy bonnets? i'm in the same boat as op very soon, going ph1!

 

[ForceIndia]

is there only certain ph1 that have alloy bonnets? i'm in the same boat as op very soon, going ph1!

Yep, not all of them do. Not sure how you tell though.

 

[Jonny1*2]

Yep, not all of them do. Not sure how you tell though.

Lift it up, they weigh nothing. Think it was only on w reg, but could be wrong

 

[bill]

rodjo

 

[Bazzon]

There are a few things to consider.

It depends how much money you have and what you plan to do.
For example the PH1 has the cable throttle which is a big plus, but if you decide you want to go the ITB route youd have cable throttle which ever car you went for.

Both cars are as light as each other, however removing the AC from a PH1 and fitting the cup set up (or similar) will cost you.

The Ph1s (most) come with 15's standard but i guess you would replace them any how.

Some Ph1s have Alloy bonnets.

Just a note PH1 front bumpers are expensive if you rip it off.

The Cup is properly better out the box, and it would be just strip the car with out doing a great deal of work.

But the money you save buying a PH1 instead of a cup could be used on mods.

Our PH1 Thread (not cheap), may be some ideas that help you. http://www.cliosport.net/forum/showthread.php?t=364943

 

[Poopensharten]

Tbh id just get a Phase 1.

Cups (decent ones) are still fetching more money whilst Phase 1's are every bit as capable, you could debate it all day but if you put every 172/182 on a quarter mile/twisty bit of road with decent drivers at the helm there wouldnt be half a ball hair between them

Go with preference and what you can afford..!

 

[Russ_16v]

The alloy bonnet is lighter, but i have a steel one and its bloody light anyway, nothing you would notice

also instead of removing the ABS off the ph1, simply unplug the fuse, a lot cheaper


I would see what you can get, there have been a few cups for sale for circa £2500, which is a great price, a ph1 will be around £500-£1000 cheaper.

Both cars have their merits, its all down to personal preference, some people prefere the looks of the ph2, and the cup badge too

 

[ForceIndia]

also instead of removing the ABS off the ph1, simply unplug the fuse, a lot cheaper

THIS DOES NOT WORK AND IS f**king DANGEROUS. Ahem.

 

[Russ_16v]

Worked fine when iv done it :S

Also no need to swear

 

[ForceIndia]

Burp and Tony tried it on track. Sets the brake bias to 50/50. So they span. Lots. Not something that shoud be recommended.

 

[Russ_16v]

Yes thats something i should have meationed, my car still has its full interior and i tried this on an airfield day and didnt have any problems, so im guessing maybe the extra weight helped?

 

[Poopensharten]

Theres no weight over the stern end of a Clio so id think so Russ?

 

[ForceIndia]

The rears will just lock up, not a good idea, at all.

 

[b33fy172]

I was in the same boat 12months ago didn't know whether to get a cup or a ph1.

I had about 3.5k to play with so decided to get a ph1 and spend the rest on goodies. :evil:

Only now am I (maybe) regretting my decision because now I want to remove the aircon and ABS and its going to cost me.

But I do love the ph1 looks alot harder meaner than the ph2 front end.

 

[bill]

^^^^ your car looks mint! is it up for sale lol

 

[ForceIndia]

I was in the same boat 12months ago didn't know whether to get a cup or a ph1.

I had about 3.5k to play with so decided to get a ph1 and spend the rest on goodies. :evil:

Only now am I (maybe) regretting my decision because now I want to remove the aircon and ABS and its going to cost me.

But I do love the ph1 looks alot harder meaner than the ph2 front end.

Should of sold you mine lol.

 

[Soot1e]

If you are just wanting this for trackdays then either model will do. A Cup will just be easier to lighten further. It will just depend how much you want to spend. This is what I have done and bought an unloved Cup with solid engine but currently rebuilding the brakes and curing leaks, all going well so far and when finished I will know the all important bits like brakes are new and fitted correctly. I'm on a budget of £2000 and will have enough to refurb my Turinis, just.

 

[b33fy172]

^^^^ your car looks mint! is it up for sale lol

No not up for sale, the longest I've kept a car for!! 13months!

Should of sold you mine lol.

Yes you should have. But you where just as indecisive then as you are now.

 

[Wests Renault]

thanks for the comments guys, i do like the sound of ph1 as it frees up more money for mods. I'm also starting to prefer the looks of a ph1. I also REALLY fancy a sunflower yellow model!

 

[LouisQ]

Ph1's are butch at the front but the rear ends are poo.

The question you asked is which is a better base, this would be the cup. Which is more financially viable and potentially sensible would be the Ph1. But lets not forget the cup is an 'out of the box' track car. Go enjoy it and mod as you go

 

[Jonny1*2]

If you work for renault surely parts costs isn't so much of an issue?

 

[ForceIndia]

Ph1's are butch at the front but the rear ends are poo.

The question you asked is which is a better base, this would be the cup. Which is more financially viable and potentially sensible would be the Ph1. But lets not forget the cup is an 'out of the box' track car. Go enjoy it and mod as you go

Is it heck.

 

[LouisQ]

Not think there is some truth in the statement? Lighter wieght, no ABS, no creature comforts, wider track, stiffer shocks, lighter wheels. Sound like a normal road car?

Granted its somewhere between a road car and a track car but its still close to a road going track car from the factory?

Not saying your wrong brown bear but i'd say it makes a great track car as it is, obviously massive room for improvement but its the same with anything

 

[ForceIndia]

Not think there is some truth in the statement? Lighter wieght, no ABS, no creature comforts, wider track, stiffer shocks, lighter wheels. Sound like a normal road car?

Granted its somewhere between a road car and a track car but its still close to a road going track car from the factory?

Not saying your wrong brown bear but i'd say it makes a great track car as it is, obviously massive room for improvement but its the same with anything

They are all road cars, end of. The cup is more suited from the factory than the others, but still 100% a road car.

I really want a shot in a standard cup. Owners maintain it's the best to drive, but every review I ever saw has the FF182 as a step up (and the Trophy a step up again).

 

[LouisQ]

I really want a shot in a standard cup. Owners maintain it's the best to drive, but every review I ever saw has the FF182 as a step up (and the Trophy a step up again).

+1

 

[Jonny1*2]

I've driven all of them from ph1, 172 cup to my FF182 now and even the 197, and there was a definate improvement to the standard handling characteristics imo throughout the years. Cue the mk1 lovers Evolution is the name of the game.

 

[Soot1e]

I've driven all of them from ph1, 172 cup to my FF182 now and even the 197, and there was a definate improvement to the standard handling characteristics imo throughout the years. Cue the mk1 lovers Evolution is the name of the game.

What are FF's and BTB's Jonny?

 

[Jonny1*2]

BTB is my exhaust and FF means Full Fat. Basically the 182 with full leather/cup pack/spoiler pack/climate etc.

 

[Soot1e]

And RB?