172 Cup v Fiesta ST at Llandow

[0-100mphin15sec]

Ever read Evo magazine, (actual performance test data section) at the back of the mag?
Go check, for the actual facts...

 

[Jaff.]

magazine must be right! real life is clearly full of s**t!

 

[Addicted]

Oh god that mic in the engine bay just sounds retarded lol.

 

[Welsh_Nut]

TBH there not that fast?
Lap 1: 54s
Lap 2: 52s
Lap 3: 53s

 

[Mr Burns]

Haven't read any comments, but IMO it was a comparison of driver abilities rather than car performance. I noticed the Clio driver wasn't so committed in places, including the fast chicane.

 

[0-100mphin15sec]

magazine must be right! real life is clearly full of s**t!

Calm down Fiesta fan boy! u r on the wrong forum. Lol
Just quoting Evo magazine perfomance data times for STOCK cars..

 

[Jaff.]

im not a fiesta fan boy. i prefer the focus so get it right

ohh my bad im on the wrong forum...

holy f**k i just realised ive never owned a clio. wtf am i doing on here!?!?!

so glad you were there for me @0-100mphin15sec to show me how much ive fucked up!

 

[Flat Eric]

This escalated quickly
Jeez.

Standard fiestas against 182's I felt the ST had more poke than my clio
And I've driven both

On the other hand, I felt the clio handled a little better, but that was standard ST against mine which has several handling modifications

 

[Mr Burns]

Comparing book times is pointless because very few drivers can optimise their cars capabilities. Do people really think that car A will beat car B every time if it's quicker on paper? Of course not, there are too many variables.

 

[182Trophy]

I highly doubt they are. ST has a fair whack more torque and bigger power band.
This vid just goes to show even a clio with probably 2k or more of mods doesn't embarrass it really.

The ST had the same performance increase from standard as the clio. A itb'd clio is likely to be around the 200-210bhp mark. Increase of around 35hp. The ST was 215 from 180, so 35bhp increase. They were level on paper, despite the clio needing to spend 2k.

 

[Jaff.]

The ST had the same performance increase from standard as the clio. A itb'd clio is likely to be around the 200-210bhp mark. Increase of around 35hp. The ST was 215 from 180, so 35bhp increase. They were level on paper, despite the clio needing to spend 2k.

we shall ignore the full amount of torque available on the fiesta from 1800 rpm then shall we?

when does the clio hit peak torque?

 

[182Trophy]

we shall ignore the full amount of torque available on the fiesta from 1800 rpm then shall we? :wink:

when does the clio hit peak torque?

My point was that he said the clio had 2k's worth of modifications and still didn't embarrass it, but the st had the same power increase over standard, not costing 2k as the st is turbocharged. That was my point that's all.
Yeah your right, hence my comment in your car about 3rd gear being very impressive!

 

[Gaz_]

yawn

its obvious the fiesta is cheaper to get power out of?

Different strokes for blokes, if you like an engine that runs out of puff like a diesel, get the fiesta. If you like to stretch a cars legs, then go for the clio.

:tonguewink:


Surprised there's been no old vs new comments yet

 

[Flat Eric]

If I didn't already have the clio
I would buy the ST hands down
It's such a good car. The brakes are loads better too!

 

[0-100mphin15sec]

we shall ignore the full amount of torque available on the fiesta from 1800 rpm then shall we? :wink:

when does the clio hit peak torque?

A tractor has a shite load of torque must be fast as shite!!!
As standard, the 182 has a quicker "TESTED" acceleration time than a standard new model fiesta st.
Check EVO perfomance data!!! I will take their word over it rather than yours.
Fiesta fanboy......

 

[Welsh_Nut]

LMFAO This is funny as f**k!
My fiesta on paper is faster than both with a lot less power

 

[Gaz_]

If I didn't already have the clio
I would buy the ST hands down
It's such a good car. The brakes are loads better too!

Just rent one like most of the fan Boi's on here?

 

[Darius]

Do you hear that f**king annoying noise in the cabin?

 

[Welsh_Nut]

Just rent one like most of the fan Boi's on here?

Who the hell would want one there ugly as hell and just as big as a focus mk1....

 

[Gaz_]

That's the torque yo?

 

[Gaz_]

Who the hell would want one there ugly as hell and just as big as a focus mk1....

Tbf id probably have one. Not to keen on the rear of them, they look no different to the ZS imo.

 

[Jaff.]

lol at the hate!

clios are s**t anyway!

deal with it

 

[Jaff.]

My point was that he said the clio had 2k's worth of modifications and still didn't embarrass it, but the st had the same power increase over standard, not costing 2k as the st is turbocharged. That was my point that's all.
Yeah your right, hence my comment in your car about 3rd gear being very impressive!

yeah fair point lol. tbh i hate the ST bumming as much as i hate the clio bumming on here anyway so im not bothered.
bloody fiesta making my car cheaper anyway 😧 fiestas suck :tongueout:


EVO magazine though! cant argue with them!

 

[Welsh_Nut]

Tbf id probably have one. Not to keen on the rear of them, they look no different to the ZS imo.

Better off with a mk1 focus st170 or rs miles better for performance....

 

[182Trophy]

@Jaff. Do mountune offer a performance pack for the focus st? Saw a mountune badge on a RS the other day.

 

[Jaff.]

@Jaff. Do mountune offer a performance pack for the focus st? Saw a mountune badge on a RS the other day.

yes mate its nowhere near as good a deal as the fiesta though £1500 + fitting
gets you a new intercooler and filter though iirc (+remap of course)

 

[182Trophy]

Better off with a mk1 focus st170 or rs miles better for performance....

The st170 isn't as quick as the fiesta st though. RS is 10k+ more expensive and a different car.

 

[0-100mphin15sec]

Comparing book times is pointless because very few drivers can optimise their cars capabilities. Do people really think that car A will beat car B every time if it's quicker on paper? Of course not, there are too many variables.

Not comparing book times, I'm talking about actual TESTED times!!!!! Both stock!! Check EVO mmagazine's test data.
Anyone who knows anything about car's must know the mag!
Check it out Fiesta boy....

 

[MarkCup]

The ST had the same performance increase from standard as the clio. A itb'd clio is likely to be around the 200-210bhp mark. Increase of around 35hp. The ST was 215 from 180, so 35bhp increase. They were level on paper, despite the clio needing to spend 2k.

My Fiesta has a 7.5% increase in bhp. That 172 Cup had circa 22% increase in bhp. You're forgetting or ignoring that the ST comes with 200 bhp as standard.

It's all irrelevant anyway, the only thing that really matters is not power mods, unrepeatable 0-60 sprint times or who was stronger on the brakes...but how much fun was had.

On that measure I'd say they're both dead even...those few laps were a great laugh.

 

[182Trophy]

Quite steep that, but i suppose you don't loose your warranty so understandable i guess.

 

[Jaff.]

Quite steep that, but i suppose you don't loose your warranty so understandable i guess.

yeah not worth it for 25 bhp imo.
id rather spend thousands on a new RS (when it turns up lol)

 

[Welsh_Nut]

The st170 isn't as quick as the fiesta st though. RS is 10k+ more expensive and a different car.

With some corrections its faster than the fiesta st mk1 Rs are only around the 8k mark? and its still the same size! with more power and better handling...

 

[182Trophy]

You're forgetting or ignoring that the ST comes with 200 bhp as standard.
Fair point but i was aware of the 200hp on overboost.

It's all irrelevant anyway, the only thing that really matters is how much fun was had

I agree 100% mate.

 

[realnumber 1]

With some corrections its faster than the fiesta st :wink: mk1 Rs are only around the 8k mark? and its still the same size! with more power and better handling...

Flol, what the f**k are you talking about....

 

[Welsh_Nut]

The st170 isn't as quick as the fiesta st though. RS is 10k+ more expensive and a different car.

ST170 vs monster 172! and I mean monster! it kills stock 172s!

 

[Welsh_Nut]

Flol, what the f**k are you talking about....

Well if you just gonna but in without reading previous post you can sit there and be confused.com

 

[Mr Burns]

Not comparing book times, I'm talking about actual TESTED times!!!!! Both stock!! Check EVO mmagazine's test data.
Anyone who knows anything about car's must know the mag!
Check it out Fiesta boy....

Have you seen some of the EVO Magazine drivers on track? Hardly accomplished racing drivers...

 

[realnumber 1]

Well if you just gonna but in without reading previous post you can sit there and be confused.com

Oh, I've read it and come to the conclusion your taking s**t tbh.

 

[Jaff.]

Have you seen some of the EVO Magazine drivers on track? Hardly accomplished racing drivers...

EVO!!!!!

dont you read EVO damnit?

everyone who knows about cars read EVO!!!

 

[Mr Burns]

I love the "my car is faster than your car because I overtook one once" types of comment.

Blimey, that must mean my Ignis is faster than a Porsche Turbo.