172 vs willy

[MOFO]

have been advised to go for a clio williams engin rather then a 172.

what do you guys reckon,

have been quoted £1k for the willy and all the bits or £1.5k from matt black for all the 172 bits from him,

also any1 from kent know were i can get the engine fitted? :S

 

[Revels]

Depends, is your car a mk1 or mk2?

Personally I think its a waste of time! You can get a willy for £2k or a mk1 172 for £4500 easy!

All that money and your car wont look any better, just buy the car of whichever one you decide!

 

[Final Maxim]

1.2 16v.. ide say mk 2

 

[MOFO]

Depends, is your car a mk1 or mk2?

its a mk2 facelift.

 

[Final Maxim]

probably cheaper buying a written off 172, side/backend or one thats been rolled. strip it down, use brakes, suspension, engine, box etc, sell the interior and anythin salvagable. work out cheaper

 

[MOFO]

probably cheaper buying a written off 172, side/backend or one thats been rolled. strip it down, use brakes, suspension, engine, box etc, sell the interior and anythin salvagable. work out cheaper

how much could i get one off them from,

 

[Final Maxim]

depends how bad the damage is really and whats left to salvage on it. i mean you can pick up x plate 172's for under 4k, maybe even 3k, so a salvage is gonna be 1-1.5.

but really depends on the smash

 

[cat171]

Persoanlly i'd save the money and buy the car that the engine actually came in
By the time you've messed about having an engine conversion & insuring it its prob cheaper to just buy the 172

I know a lot of people moan about insurance (not you) but it'll work out cheaper in the long run.

The only conversion that is worth while is the valver/willy conversion, mainly because the engines look alomst identical.

 

[MOFO]

Persoanlly i'd save the money and buy the car that the engine actually came in
By the time you've messed about having an engine conversion & insuring it its prob cheaper to just buy the 172

I know a lot of people moan about insurance (not you) but it'll work out cheaper in the long run.

The only conversion that is worth while is the valver/willy conversion, mainly because the engines look alomst identical.

i do agree to some extent fella,

i have just always wanted to put my mark on a car, loads of people have normal 172/willy's but i was after somthing descreet, like a sleeper, will leave totally standard apart from engine so it would be a one-off, its just my toy really.

 

[Final Maxim]

uprate brakes aswell though, thats what im sayin you dont just do an engine conversion, you gotta uprate what needs uprating, cheaper to buy a donar car (salvage write off) than to buy the bits seperatly

 

[Ex-User (19928)]

Yes you had the same thought as me, except I wouldn't do it....

Though I was thinking in reverse, people pay so much for RS parts just buy a 182, then sell everything cosmetic, and buy dynamique parts lol.

 

[cat171]

Mofo - I do understand about the sleeper idea (I didn't realise you were talking about that idea tbh ) & if your serious about it & have the money to do it then I would go for it:approve:
As FM says you'll need the brakes etc as you want it to stop. I know of some people who shove in a higher powered engine into a car thats not meant for it & leave the brakes etc

 

[edde]

Matt Blacks £1.5k stuf would include brakes suspension atc as its simplar that way.

Personally I'd be tempted to just get a proper 172 if you want a sleeper take the RS stuff off and sell it and stick none RS bumpers etc on.

If you want to do a 172 conversion Matt usually has the cup stuff but personally I'd prefere a phase 1 less electrics for a starter but Cups crash so he has them.

The sleeper idea is good if you want buy the Mk1 for sale on here for £5.8k its got a Audi tt engine in it tunned to 280hp if you know about the engine you'll know the sky is always the limit there are packages to take you off the shelf to 450hp.

You cna buy whole Willaims for £1.5k now and again I know they've been picked up for less before now.

 

[MOFO]

Mofo - I do understand about the sleeper idea (I didn't realise you were talking about that idea tbh ) & if your serious about it & have the money to do it then I would go for it:approve:
As FM says you'll need the brakes etc as you want it to stop. I know of some people who shove in a higher powered engine into a car thats not meant for it & leave the brakes etc

yea thats what im after, only matt is miles away from me and you cant really deliver a engine

he said he wouldnt fit it for me as he no longer does that

 

[Final Maxim]

do it yourself, its only a few bolts and a few wires lol

 

[MOFO]

do it yourself, its only a few bolts and a few wires lol

i wish i could do it myself but i dont have a clue. :dapprove: :dapprove: :dapprove: :dapprove:

 

[edde]

yea thats what im after, only matt is miles away from me and you cant really deliver a engine

he said he wouldnt fit it for me as he no longer does that

Either get him to post it or rent a van etc and drive there and back I assume your in the Uk if so you'll be there and back in a day. There more than just the engine you get there the gearbox radiator hubs shocks driveshafts ECU/uch a box of wires

 

[-KarL-]

just save up and get a 172!

 

[edde]

i wish i could do it myself but i dont have a clue. :dapprove: :dapprove: :dapprove: :dapprove:

Talk to a local tunenr or garage see if they want a job its basically take the dash off and engine out and put the 172 stuff in.

 

[MOFO]

Talk to a local tunenr or garage see if they want a job its basically take the dash off and engine out and put the 172 stuff in.

is it really that easy, how much/long should it cost/take

 

[edde]

is it really that easy, how much/long should it cost/take

£500 to £1k depends on the garage.

If you DIY its about a weeks work.

 

[Final Maxim]

buy a written off 172 dude, be cheaper.

 

[tim124]

if you want a sleeper... get a Renault 4 and put a 172 engine in... preferably a really rusty looking R4

imagine being overtaken in that!

http://www.slowcarclub.com/renault4.html

LOL

 

[172.com]

They don't make cars like they used to!

I'd forgetten about that car, W-T-F were they thinking?

 

[MOFO]

£500 to £1k depends on the garage.

If you DIY its about a weeks work.

ok, is it hard to diy, also ill need a crane wont i, how long should the garage take? would they buy my old engine?

 

[tim124]

They don't make cars like they used to!

I'd forgetten about that car, W-T-F were they thinking?

I was told the other day that a Renault 5TS had a different wheelbase on each side of the car. The have the rear torsion bars next to each other (offset) and the same length arms. The body shell has one of the rear wheels 5cm further forward

French design

 

[Williams025]

They don't make cars like they used to!

I'd forgetten about that car, W-T-F were they thinking?

My dad had one of those years back, heck, he had two!!

As stated already, think you should just buy the whole car. A good cheap Willy will be harder to find than a 172. Thing is, not only will you have to uprate the breaks, you'll have to sort the suspension as well to cope with the extra weight at the front, and your gearbox and clutch will need replacing after about 5 miles...

 

[edde]

ok, is it hard to diy, also ill need a crane wont i, how long should the garage take? would they buy my old engine?

Yep engine crane a good garage with a 4 post lift would be better.
No idea how long a garage would take depend uf there fitting the job in or doing it in one blokc. Matt Black and his mate did one in a day once.

 

[MOFO]

Yep engine crane a good garage with a 4 post lift would be better.
No idea how long a garage would take depend uf there fitting the job in or doing it in one blokc. Matt Black and his mate did one in a day once.

a day,fooking hell,

will call some garages tomorrow.

 

[edde]

a day,fooking hell,

will call some garages tomorrow.

Matt and his mate did have a proper gareg with all the tools and 4 post lift though and had done them before though.

 

[MOFO]

Matt and his mate did have a proper gareg with all the tools and 4 post lift though and had done them before though.

i asked him to do it for me but he said no as he doesnt want to do it anymore:dapprove: :dapprove:

 

[edde]

i asked him to do it for me but he said no as he doesnt want to do it anymore:dapprove: :dapprove:

Yep he had trouble with people and them I think so stopped doing it.

Ktec I think will do the conversion and GDI did one. Most Renault tunners would be up for the work I'd imagine. Not sure about Yozzasport but I'd imagien they would do a conversion.

 

[MOFO]

Yep he had trouble with people and them I think so stopped doing it.

Ktec I think will do the conversion and GDI did one. Most Renault tunners would be up for the work I'd imagine. Not sure about Yozzasport but I'd imagien they would do a conversion.

good stuff, ill giveall my locals a bell 2morrow,

would it run ok or would it be very unreliable?

 

[edde]

good stuff, ill giveall my locals a bell 2morrow,

would it run ok or would it be very unreliable?

Its as reliable as the quaility of the job. You've basically got a 172 so its as reliabl as the doner car. Also remember you will want to chnage the cambelt clucth and bushes before the engine put in so thats £250 or so extra in parts.